Talk:Geolocation

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[edit] Not just website localisation?

Geolocation is described here as a means of tracking people on the internet, but geolocated is commonly used to describe photographs (or other data) whose position is known. Ojw 18:57, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Geocoded photo seems to be the dominant use (67700 vs 9380 results, according to Google). In any case, I've added a redirect from Geolocated photo. -- Robocoder 15:17, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed Merge

...from Geo (marketing) and Geolocation software, in addition to general clean-up.

Why?

  • Obvious duplication in article, notably on "Geo marketing".
  • Overlap (as reflected in duplicated external links).
  • External links which border on off-topic.
  • External links are starting to look like link farms.
  • References that aren't referenced (e.g., Finkelstein's expert report on geolocation).
  • Missing citations, such as "Critics note that geolocation software is inherently inaccurate (2002)".
  • ...just to name a few problems.

I'm interested in collaborating. Any suggestions on re-organizing the content? Obligatory disclaimer: I am a forum moderator at hostip.info, and a software developer of geolocation-related software (not linked in these articles). -- Robocoder 18:54, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Privacy Concerns

I also feel the privacy concerns from Geocoding should be moved here. -- Robocoder 18:54, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Strong oppose - A merge from geocoding is inappropriate, as the data privacy concerns involving mapping addresses from real world data (e.g. health records, criminal/victim records, ...) are quite different than trying to geolocate an ip address. While my ISP has my name and real world identifying information, it is separate from my IP address. If someone can determine my geolocation from my IP address, then fine. But that doesn't mean they can identify me. Only courts and law enforcement could subpoena (provided they have a legitimate reason and probable cause) my ISP to obtain my identifying information, . -Aude (talk | contribs) 19:15, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Ok. I'll revert that mergeto proposal. Thanks, Kmf164. -- Robocoder 15:02, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
And Geocoding, GeoTagging and Geolocation. for review later after moving software ? Mion 06:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oppose

the fact that the overlap can be relocated, i agree on, however, the Geolocation software can be used in marketing software, security software, insurance software, the other way around is not the case, you're not going to use the marketing software as security software, which makes it two separate articles.

Missing citations, such as "Critics note that geolocation software is inherently inaccurate (2002)". I din't make the citation, but added the year, its an outdated statement.Reg. Mion 18:51, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


I didn't see the third one, ok, new setup:

1. Geolocation, is the actual fysical place of the computer by IP.

Geolocation or Geo-Targeting is the science of determining the real-world geographic location of a website visitor or a website itself (or any internet connected computer for that matter) by tracking his/its Internet Protocol address (Geo-IP) and other factors. A website equipped with geolocation technology can identify the user’s general location in real time. A simple geolocation solution can reliably determine what country the user is in, and a more sophisticated solution can locate the visitor down to city, street or house level.

is used in:

2. Geolocation software, is the group of software 3. Geo (marketing) is one of many disciplines that uses geolocation software,

And move the rest from Geolocation to Geolocation software

Geo (marketing) stays as it is,

ok?

Mion 19:07, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


Geolocation new:

Geolocation is the real-world geographic location of a internet connected computer based on the Internet Protocol address (IP a.k.a Geo-IP , Mac-Adress, Hardware productionnumbers, embedded software numbers, invoice and other factors.

Geolocation is used in fields like Geo (marketing), with the use of Geolocation software.

end

move the rest to Geolocation software. and merge it to get rid of the duplicates. , keep Geo (marketing) as it is.

reg. Mion 19:27, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, I don't want Geolocation condensed into a Wiktionary candidate. I'm ok with Geo (marketing) being a separate article, if the duplication is cut down in Geolocation and Geolocation software.
I'm still not convinced that Geolocation software should exist as a separate article from Geolocation. Given that Geolocation (the technology) is inherently software-based, Geolocation software seems redundant. Why not list Geo (marketing) and the other examples (stubs) from your comment under a section titled Applications? WP:SIZE isn't close to being an issue.
made applications in Geolocation software. Mion 07:39, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
WP:SIZE on MAX makes it unreadable, and the marketing article can now be placed in the right category marketing, otherwise it will be cleaned out bij the CAT cleaners.Mion 07:41, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


It's unlikely that we would expand the Geolocation article (separate from a Geolocation software article) to cover only the technology aspect, given the proprietary (even patentable) nature of the technology. (How the database is created and/or maintained? What algorithms are used to increase accuracy or provide guesses? etc.) -- User:Robocoder (talk | contribs) 19:56, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I think it's just the other way around, the geolocation is a physical point, with different ways to determ it, IP is only one of them,

which makes Geolocation software a connected sub from Geolocation. another sub of Geolocation could me mac-adress or IP.

Maybe it is bettter to merge the sub/sub Geomarketing into Geolocation software.

Reg. Mion .

well, the merge of sub/sub Geomarketing into Geolocation software. is not a good idear, I will clean it out, you will see it is a complete article about marketing.Mion 20:21, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Geomarketing is done, reg. Mion 20:32, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New

Ok, I cleaned out the doublures to make it easier to decide.

  • Geolocation
  • GeoTagging / he process of adding geographical identification metadata to various media such as websites, RSS feeds or images

a link/section should be included in Geolocation software.

  • Geocoding / A geocoder is a piece of software or a (web) service that helps in this process.

a link/section should be included in Geolocation software.

  • Geolocation software
  • Geo (marketing)

Mion 07:36, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Holy flurry of edits, Mion! Ok...I can see where you're going with this...very nice.  :) I'm going to remove the merge tags. -- User:Robocoder (talk | contribs) 18:34, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, still enough to restyle and copyedit to proper english i'm not native english, i'm from PAPUA . :).Mion 19:28, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Geolocation

The See Also could be rewritten to normal text with an explanation. Mion 08:00, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Verb or noun?

I'd disagree with the definition given on this page. Although I'm struggling to find a good definition to cite. It seems to me there are two distinct usages:

1. as a noun meaning geographic location (i.e. a contraction) as used on this page

or

2. as a verb meaning the act of determining geographic location (compare with radiolocation or echolocation).

My survey seems to indicate definition two as the more common. -- Leonstr 16:47, 19 August 2006

noun Wouldn't the verb be geolocate? -- Robocoder (talk | contribs) 03:57, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
yes, it would be. Geolocation is a noun. The activity is "to geolocate". -- foo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.234.83.43 (talk) 03:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

This page describes geolocation as being a special form of location, whereas I think it's an activity. Compare location and locate, and echolocation and echolocate. Locate means determine location, but echolocate does not mean determine echolocation, it's a special form of determine location. I think geolocate is another special form of determine location. The usage on the page describes geolocation as being a specific form of location, rather than the practise of determining location. Is this any clearer? - Leonstr 14:55, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Concur. I would consider IP based geolocation to be one possible nethod for performing geolocation (verb). The longitude and latitude determined would be the geolocation (noun). I'd argue that geolocation has nothing to do with the internet or even electronics. Celestial navigation using a sextant and chronometer is a form of geolocation. Speed8ump 19:01, 21 September 2007 (UTC)