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[edit] Images

WHERE'S KHAN'S PICTURE? THERE'S A PICTURE OF HIS WIFE, HIS GRANDSON(S), BUT NOT HIM. KHAN'S PICTURE SHOULD BE THE LAST TO BE DELETED. ---srry for the caps, just wanted attention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MrZhuKeeper (talk • contribs) 00:48, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] death

I think there are various explanations on how chinggis died in the different sources. Some say he fell from a horse, others allege a connection to a XiXia princess, one(?) goes into detail and sais that this princess severed the small Genghis. I think incorporating this into the article would be better than leaving it at the current "unknown reasons". I'll try to find the exact citations until tomorrow. Heissig's Ein Volk sucht seine Geschichte should be OK, I assume? Yaan (talk) 15:28, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Spelling of name

The article says:

"Genghis" as popularly spelled and pronounced in Western media and text is supposedly derived from the original Persian reports of an invading army, led by a man in 1219 against the Khwarezmid Empire. The Persian people pronounced the man's name "Genghis", as there was no "ch" sound in the Persian tongue. Henceforth, the Persian version of the name of the leader of the Mongol Empire became known and widespread in the Western hemisphere as "Genghis".[citation needed]

This is absolute nonsense. There is a "ch" sound in Persian (e.g. chahar, four). The spelling "Genghis" is more likely to have come from Marco Polo attempting to render the sound of Chinese. It might be worth pointing out that, in that case, the initial G should be pronounced j or zh, and not like "get" as so many people do. --Sir Myles na Gopaleen (the da) (talk) 12:24, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Do we have a source either way? If not, then this kind of speculation is Original Research, and needs to be removed (that's why there is a [citation needed] there in the first place). --Latebird (talk) 16:42, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I've found a review that attributes the Genghis/Persian theory to Weatherford, and also refutes it based on historical documents. Therefore I've fixed the text in the article to explain that disagreement and pointing to the relevant source. --Latebird (talk) 13:02, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Genghis is not Western but the English, French and Spanish spelling, note it's written and pronounced with a "ch" [ʧ] in Russian (Ч), Mongolian (Ч), Tartar (Ç) and also German (Dsch-). The English spelling should follow the Russian, Mongolian and Tartar for this word, IMO. --Atitarev (talk) 22:02, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
German pronounciation is actually more like Jingis, with J as in Jungle. Yaan (talk) 09:40, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
The English name is and remains Genghis. It is not up to Wikipedia to decide whether it "should" be or follow anything different. --Latebird (talk) 13:04, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Above statement is wrong. Genghis is almost never used in newly published (scholarly) books and articles in English these days. Most common spelling is Chingiz. Chingis also used. Genghis is now reserved for childrens' books and journalists, Wikipedia should change to reflect this.
I have never seen anyone use Chingiz. Chinggis, Činggis etc. yes, but not Chingiz. Yaan (talk) 23:55, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image of Genghis Khan

The image of Genghis Khan in this article is a later Chinese interpretation of what he may have looked like.

The preponderance of evidence actually suggests he looked more central asian(like a pashtun) than east asian. A more accurate picture should be put up in it's place.--Ironzealot (talk) 01:01, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

There are no accurate pictures preserved (if any ever existed). Every image you'll ever see is based on pure speculation. Btw: The image you uploaded is a clear copyright violation, and the Public Domain tag you added is incorrect. The photograph is obviously less than hundred years old, and most likely still enjoys full copyright protection. The age of the statue doesn't matter in this context. --Latebird (talk) 04:06, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Morgan probably said that Khiyad borjigons were a vassal of Khereids. In fact, they were allies. See the secret history of mongols. --Enerelt 11:28, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] wrong image

The image on the right does not show Borte Ujin, but Chabi, a wife of Khubilai Khan. For comparison, see Image:YuanEmpressAlbumChabi.jpg with a caption in the upper right corner. The caption says that the portrait is of a wife of Khubilai (chinese 世祖 Shizu), and with some imagination one can also read her name as 徹伯爾 (cheboer), which does sound as if it could be a chinese version of Chabi, but hardly a chinese version of Börte. Lest anyone claims this is original research, the description given in the source (Dschingis Khan und seine Erben (exhibition catalogue), München 2005, p. 308) also makes this woman Chabi, wife of Shizu, not Borte, wife of Taizu. Yaan (talk) 15:25, 28 May 2008 (UTC)