Talk:GEICO Cavemen

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==First Ad?== hi I'm not sure, but I'm fairly confident the first Geico Caveman ad was actually the one where the exec, after having said "so easy, a caveman could do it", is seen taking two cavemen out to dinner to formally apologize, not the Boom-Mic one.

I agree, that one was definitely first... the famous "roast duck with the mango salsa" line was what carried the whole concept. JesseRafe 02:36, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

The first three ads were all shot at the same time but they came out in this order, 1 the boom mic op. caveman storming off the set, 2 the two cavemen at home on the couch watching TV (there are really 3, but the third is in the background playing piano out of focus) and 3 the two cavemen addressing the Geico rep. over dinner.

Could you please cite that? I agree with what's been said before: the exec taking them out to dinner is the first one. It has to be; that's where it's established that cavemen still exist, which is crucial to the joke. --Hnsampat 20:28, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

...Um, I don't think he needs a citation. Ask anyone who has paid attention. Why would he apologize first, and then insult the camera man? Doesn't the insult come before the apology? 70.109.106.170 00:20, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Let me counter that point. In the "dinner apology" one, the exec tells the cavemen, "Seriously, we're sorry. We had no ideas you guys were still around." How could he have no idea that cavemen still existed if he had insulted his caveman cameraman earlier? --Hnsampat 01:05, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Uhm - because they had no idea BEFORE the guy complained? It would be like telling your friend, "I'm sorry I told that ethnic joke. I had no idea your mother was whatever." By your reasoning, the joke would come after the apology in this case, and that makes no sense. Rabidwolfe 01:23, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

We agree that every other commercial (the "moving sidewalk' commercial, the "therapist" commercial, etc.) came after the "dinner apology" commercial, right? In each of those commercials, cavemen are insulted in one way or another. So, even after the apology, cavemen continue to be insulted. Therefore, it's perfectly reasonable that the "camera man" commercial came after the "dinner apology" commercial. --Hnsampat 00:39, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

No, not really. Rabidwolfe 00:41, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Why not? --Hnsampat 00:43, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

By the way, I'd like to point out this article from Adweek (the second-largest advertising trade publication) stating that "Apology" was the first of the cavemen commercials. (See the 3rd paragraph.) --Hnsampat 00:45, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Okay, now there seems to be conflicting information, because this article, also from Adweek, lends support to "Apology" being the third commercial (after the cameraman and the the cavemen watching TV). Apparently, after those 3, GEICO went on hiatus with these commercials until the "moving sidewalk" debuted. So, now I'm not sure who to believe. --Hnsampat 00:56, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Neanderthal or Cro-Magnon?

In everything I read online people are assuming that these guys are supposed to be Neanderthals. I don't understand why. I assumed them to be Cro-Magnon men, that is, Homo sapiens before civilization. For evidence the Neanderthal larynx isn't properly positioned to allow for speech as we know it. Also, if the guys are Cro-Magnon cavemen the joke is even better. Genetically they would be the same species as us and thus the racism parallel is more deeply embedded.--Dustin Asby 22:11, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Homosexuals

It is quite clear that a sub-text of the ads is that the cavemen are gay. In particular the party scene where one berates the other for betraying the community, the flowery or "loud" shirts, and their efete manners. It is homophobic and very POV to suppress this obvious interpretation of advertisements on Wikipedia. So please do not revert. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.118.197.220 (talk) 03:17, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Original research. Your opinion that something is "obvious" doesn't mean it belongs in the article. We only include things that can be verified by reliable outside sources. Equazcion •✗/C • 03:22, 4 Feb 2008 (UTC)

Or possibly metrosexuals, or whatever. equazcion is correct. Unless there is a clear statement from a reliable outside source, stop adding that claim to the article. Rabidwolfe (talk) 16:53, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

It is beyond dispute according to Stormfront that the "cavemen" are really Jewish and Gay. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Auricgoldfinger007 (talk • contribs) 01:53, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Further the man that plays a caveman, John Lehr is in real life at least Jewish according his Wikipedia article: "He is Jewish, having converted to Judaism in 2000." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Auricgoldfinger007 (talk • contribs) 01:59, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

You're all stretching it. And the identity of the actors has little to do with the identity of the role they play. Rabidwolfe (talk) 17:59, 7 February 2008 (UTC)