Talk:Gay Christian Network

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  • Requests: Find a photograph from one of the conferences that can be used for this article to illustrate the networking aspect of the organization.


This may be a problem as many of the people on the site may not be fully out of the closet. We'd have to make sure that everyone in the picture is okay with having it posted first. Maybe a pic taken from the back of the audience and showing only the faces of Justin or other leaders? Aristophanes68 (talk) 21:53, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
That's a great point! Yeah, one of those photos would be perfect. --Gerald Farinas (talk) 03:35, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Hurrah!

Thanks for starting this page, Gerald!!! Aristophanes68 (talk) 15:15, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

My pleasure! --Gerald Farinas (talk) 03:07, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Side A/Side B

I've been told that the discussion of the two sides may not be clear enough to people unfamiliar with them. Any suggestions? Aristophanes68 (talk) 21:47, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Someone on the site suggested still more discussion, with perhaps links to the GCN pages and the Bridges Across the Divide page, where the terms originated. Aristophanes68 (talk) 23:29, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
I think it's important to mention that Side B does not encompass ex-gay viewpoints. Similarly, Side A does not encompass a total lack of sexual morality (that is, the same moral standards are expected of a Christian Side A gay relationship as are expected of a Christian straight relationship). Snickkers (talk) 13:50, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Good point -- thanks!Aristophanes68 (talk) 03:45, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] still stub class?

The stubs were removed from the page -- does this mean the page is no longer stub class? Aristophanes68 (talk) 02:15, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Can we change the WikiProject ratings from Stub to Start Class now??? Aristophanes68 (talk) 03:14, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Liberalism/Conservatism

The "Theology" section begins with the sentence "The Gay Christian Network as a body has a diverse set of theological beliefs from very liberal to very conservative", with the last words "liberal" and "conservative" linking to the Wikipedia entries "Liberalism" and "Conservatism", but I'm thinking the entries "Liberal Christianity" and "Conservative Christianity" would be more appropriate? The original links seem to be more about political beliefs (ie Democrats vs Republicans) than religious beliefs -- but maybe that was the original author's intent? Snickkers (talk) 14:00, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Good point -- I suggest we change that -- in fact, I'll go ahead and do so! Thanks for catching that problem! Aristophanes68 (talk) 15:19, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] notability warning!

We need to find some third-party references for this article. There are several third-party references on Justin's page, but I'm not sure they'll be as useful for this page. Help! Aristophanes68 (talk) 04:42, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

  • I added some more -- we now have four outside references. I'm sure there are more, if we can find them.... Aristophanes68 (talk) 06:48, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GCN Criticism

I took the anonymous complaints about the moderators and included them in a new section that discusses the way the site operates and that acknowledges some of the concerns these policies have raised (Site Policies). What other information should be included? Aristophanes68 (talk) 00:43, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm moving the article text here:

Discussions on the website are monitored by a volunteer group of monitors according to a list of GCN Rules. Individual posts that are considered inappropriate can be "flagged" by the moderators, meaning that they are not readable until the original author modifies them; the contributor whose post has been flagged receives a private message stating the reason for the flag and inviting the person to contact the Moderator if there are any questions.
Because topics such as politics and sex and comments about moderator actions or discussion rules and policies have stirred up controversy on the site, whole threads can be moved to the "Sensitive Subjects" Forum, although the idea for this forum is that people would voluntarily start their threads there. The forum is optional, i.e., it is available only to those who have chosen to make it accessible from their user options page. (Several less controversial forums are also optional, e.g. the regional and denomination forums; making them optional helps keep the page visually manageable, so that users do not have to scroll through dozens of topics that are irrelevant to them.) Although the site states that the intention of moving controversial threads to a subscription-only area is to help keep arguments away from the main pages, some members find the policy too restrictive and/or feel that the moderators are too quick to move threads.
Another problem has arisen regarding underage members. Due to fears for their safety, policies have been enacted that prohibit most members from sending younger members private messages, and the site now forbids users to post links to their personal pages.

The information needs to be backed up by sources with in-line citation. Also, there is a Wikipedia policy on "original research" and NPOV "personal editorialism." Because of these points, as long as the section remains as it is, it places the entire article in jeapordy and possible deletion. --Gerald Farinas (talk) 03:01, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

  • How do we add citations when all the sources are from personal experience? Aristophanes68 (talk) 03:03, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
  • So we could tag Mr. Augusta's comments with citation needed and NPOV tags? Aristophanes68 (talk) 03:07, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Not the NPOV tag. The template tags the entire article as NPOV, not the section in question. --Gerald Farinas (talk) 03:10, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

In the end, it is only fair to have a section devoted to criticism of GCN. However, it cannot be presented the way it is written above. It has to follow Wikipedia policy. --Gerald Farinas (talk) 03:20, 11 March 2008 (UTC)