Talk:Gavin Menzies

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There should be links to writings of these 'commentators' who regard the 1421 theory as 'baseless in fact', so that readers can judge for themselves the authority of the commentators and read the refutations of Menzies' theory that would demonstrate any baselessness.

The debunking sites linked to on the 1421 theory page, and reproduced below, debunk only a small fraction of the theory.

Contents 1 Debunking sites 2 More evidence needed 3 Trivia 4 Place of Birth 5 Character assasination

[edit] Debunking sites

• The discovery of America by the Chinese in 1421 is a big lie! The author changed a map to fit his theory! by Manuel Luciano da Silva, MD.
• 1421: The Year the Chinese DID NOT Discover America: A Tabulation of the Evidence Against Gavin Menzies

[edit] More evidence needed

those 2 sites dont convince me. the first one seems to be biased against another country being involved in discovering the new world besides protugal and i dont know about the other one

the comment that most people think its "baseless" seems like POV to me

For the record, the columbian expedition was spanish, not portuguese. And this 1421 theory is hilarious for everyone except, appparently, chinese and british people. Regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.62.37.2 (talk) 11:52, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

It's not very well received in China either. Or in Britain for that matter.--Dougweller (talk) 15:44, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

What subs did he serve upon? Bastie 23:50, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

• HMS Rorqual and HMS Resolution--68.85.27.47 14:01, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Place of Birth

Where was he born?--Mais oui! 12:30, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Character assasination

Most edits on this biography are very sad. Many people who are editing here are trying to slander a person who wrote a controversial book. Menzies may be completely wrong, but the way some (probably NOTABLE historian experts) write against him is disgusting. They even try it it with uttter nonsense, such as to link some legal case of 1996 with a book that was not published before 2002. Furthermore, there is no document proving that Menzies was GUILTY in the HMS Rorqual incident, but this event seems to be the most important chapter in his life. Even worse are allegations like that: "some critics (of course without name and only indirectly cited, perhaps Mr. Geoff Wade, who may have written many of the anti-Menzies edits) have questioned Menzies' nautical knowledge and whether he actually sailed the routes he has claimed ...". Can there be any doubt that ALL the routes, which had been sailed by a captain of the Royal Navy above or below sea level have been recorded in the nautical logbooks of the Navy? If there is no evidence that Menzies did not sail these routes any such allegations should be deleted--Pjotr Morgen —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.224.52.156 (talk) 23:43, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

There's no actual suggestions in here, please use talk pages to suggest changes to the main page rather than to chat about the subject. See WP:TALK for more info. WLU 20:02, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Firstly, it should be "there are no suggestions", while "there is no suggestions" is wrong (singular - plural). Since you did not propose any change to the article, your comment belongs to the same category of useless chatting ... Secondly, it must be evident from my remarks, what I suggest to keep and what to discard.--Pjotr Morgen 21:21, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps your suggestions might be better received if you phrased them in a slightly less POV and hostile manner. If you want to blank this section and replace it with a set of suggestions for the page, it'd be more useful to the page. In my opinion. WLU 02:33, 5 September 2007 (UTC)