Talk:Gary M. Heidnik

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Please delete this article as it is a duplication. Are you sure this is a duplication, I don't find anything on this guy when i do a google search of the site.-- [[User:ZeWrestler |ZeWrestler]] 19:04 17 March, 2005

Contents 1 Pit or Bathtub 2 Deep 3 Warning? 4 wrong city of death 5 "They were already there." 6 Minor change about his wife

[edit] Pit or Bathtub

My now-reverted clarification that the elctrocution occured in the punsihment pit rather than a bathtub was based on the linked-to Crime Library article, which to me suggests the electrocution occured in the existing plywood-covered punishment pit. See here: Crime Library MinorEdit June 29, 2005 01:23 (UTC)

[edit] Deep

Twice the four foot pit is described as "deep". That doesn't seem very deep to me. --Dystopos 23:50, 16 February 2006 (UTC) Everything I've read suggests that the pit was actually very shallow, allowing just enough room for a woman to fit into the hole, contorted uncomfortably. 68.51.188.174 (talk) 09:38, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Warning?

I think that the warning is inherently non-NPOV and should be removed. We do not have one on many other articles which could be considered by some to be "disturbing". See the discussion/consensus at Talk: Ted Bundy. savidan^{(talk) (e@)} 05:08, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

• I think some kind of warning would be appropriate. "Spoiler warnings" are routinely put before plot synopses on any narrative work out of courtesy to the reader and It seems the desire to show courtesy would pertain all the more to content widely considered unpleasant to read. If POV is the only issue, I think one could be worded so that it avoided POV. What about:

Warning: This section contains graphic descriptions of violent acts.

--Dystopos 06:04, 8 March 2006 (UTC) I disagree. Spoiler warnings are nowhere near POV. If you wanted a warning for an image, you would have a case. However, the world is a scary place. It's very unwiki to put a warning just for telling the facts in a NPOV way. Note that this is an article, not text porn or a novel. The descirptions here aren't that graphic. savidan^{(talk) (e@)} 16:43, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

• Is there something POV about my suggestion? It seems as neutral and factual as the spoiler warning. Perhaps the same suggestion without the word "warning" in it? how about replacing it with Note:  ? I wouldn't want to limit the reader's interests, but I would like to show some courtesy. --Dystopos 16:53, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

You should of warned me, I looked to long at his mugshot. I think it stole my soul. :) Hempeater 21:39, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Look, I'm sure this is very well-intentioned, but simply untennable. If you dull down to warning to not even containing the word warning it will be repetitive and therefore be removed. If the warning contains text which achieves what I presume is your desired effect (informing the reader that the text is in some way offensive, startling, etc.) then it would be at worst POV and at best unencyclopedic. May I instead suggest that you point out which portions of the current text you consider in need of such a warning. A well-written encyclopedic article should never require such a warning, no matter the subject. I find nothing in this text which requires such. savidan^{(talk) (e@)} 20:20, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

If one is reading an article about a notorious murderer, one should know to assume that there is going to be graphic, unpleasant, disturbing content. 68.51.188.174 (talk) 09:40, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] wrong city of death

This man, if executed as the wiki says, cannot have died in Pittsburgh. Pennsylvania's death chamber is in Rockview, Centre County, which is several hours east of Pittsburgh, near State College. --{{User:Coryma}} 00:35, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "They were already there."

"At his arraignment, Heidnik claimed that the women were already in the house when he moved in.[5]" Did he? I can't find anything like that in the source provided. Anyone got a reliable source for this statement (one that doesn't just copy what Wikipedia says)? [arthal] (talk) 00:39, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

• • That was my question. I also kind of doubt that he had a housemate. Dirtysocks (talk) 06:19, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Minor change about his wife

The cited source, http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/weird/heidnik/spiral_8.html, says that Heidnik forced his wife to watch him having sex with other women, not to do so herself. Matuszek (talk) 04:27, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

good catch - Shadowsill (talk) 13:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)