Talk:Gary Forrester

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More information about this article... The following comments have been left for this page: Article is well developed, hence the B for quality. It gets a "low" for importance, because bluegrass-country music in Australia is presumably not of great significance for this project; however, the article does cover a highly specific area of knowledge or an obscure piece of trivia.--Samuel.harding (talk) 09:33, 17 April 2008 (UTC) (edit)

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Assessment comments The following comments were left by the assessors: (edit · history · watch · refresh) Article is well developed, hence the B for quality. It gets a "low" for importance, because bluegrass-country music in Australia is presumably not of great significance for this project; however, the article does cover a highly specific area of knowledge or an obscure piece of trivia.--Samuel.harding (talk) 09:33, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi - Just a question - I was in the process of creating & editing a new article to correct the lack of citation and other errors that led to an earlier deletion. Hopefully, the article is on the way to satisfying the concerns that were earlier expressed. A lot of work has gone into these corrections and citations, in terms of research, re-writes, etc. Hopefully, we can be given a chance to finish the article, and to make any further changes that are recommended by Wikipedia editors and/or administrators. Thank you.--Jeshel.brown (talk) 17:54, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Was there a question in there? Anyways, can we get a better picture of this guy, rather than the one of him piloting his houseboat or whatever that is? Thanks, --Tom (talk) 18:27, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Tom - I will write to some folks I know in Australia and New Orleans, who might be able to provide a better picture. Do you have any other suggestions? We're just trying to get this right this time, and to leave forrestergaz out of it. Thanks again.--Jeshel.brown (talk) 18:41, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article was deleted very recently

Just in case people want to see how this played out. Cheers, --Tom (talk) 18:35, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yes

Yes, the prior go-round wasn't too good, and it showed all the problems with a guy trying to defend his own stuff. Hopefully, more objectivity will be brought to bear on the article this time. Thanks.--Jeshel.brown (talk) 18:41, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citation style

The citation style is still a bit unwieldy - I converted it to inline references, but still there are a lot of refs that have multiple citations bundled up into them, and maybe some unnecessary/irrelevant cites - might be worth looking at —Random832 19:24, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citation style

Thanks Random832 - will do. It might take some time though. There are a few of us involved on this project, and we are trying to make it subject-proof, because this guy, although clearly notable, is a bit of a loose cannon. His band was very hot, though!--Samuel.harding (talk) 19:56, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I've noticed

I've noticed that several of the editors working on this article are brand-new accounts and use a similar naming convention (dot between names, last name uncapitalized) - are you connected somehow? (i.e. either know each other in real life or are the same person) - You should be aware of the wikipedia policy on using multiple accounts if that is the case. If it's not the case, I apologize for bringing this up, but stuff like that happens quite often—Random832 20:44, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Hi Random - Four of the people working on the article (including me) are his oldest kids (all in university - he has two younger ones still at home). We've been trying to make this article right after it got deleted when he was doing it himself and getting carried away. Is that relationship a problem? He's not directly involved in this second effort. If there's a problem, we'd better bow out, but we were just trying to get the facts right and meet the sourcing concerns previously expressed, in a much more objective manner. We've had to pull these sources together from contacts in Australia, New Zealand, the USA and other places, which hasn't been easy. Cheers,--Georgette.mccallum (talk) 23:04, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

It's ok, just be careful not to introduce bias into the article - you should read the conflict of interest policy.—Random832 23:38, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sources fixed

We took care of the footnotes, sources, and a few typos today, as per Random's start - got rid of bundled and multiple cites, reduced the number of footnotes sigificantly. Still waiting on a better photo, as per Tom's suggestion. Cheers,--Samuel.harding 06:17, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] To W guice (also known as Tomasz)

Thanks for the pipe fix and also for explaining how it works. --Samuel.harding 04:48, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] THX

Thanks to Bradeos Graphon for the advice about naming Wikipedia articles!!--Georgette.mccallum (talk) 00:07, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cheers

Cheers, and thanks to Elonka for her observations about Bluegrass Unlimited magazine. The sources have been improved as a result. Much appreciated.--Samuel.harding (talk) 01:47, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the source, Samuel. Would you be interested in creating a stub article for Bluegrass Unlimited? I'll help with formatting if you can add content and sources.  :) Where I'm still confused though, is does your source actually call it a "bible" for bluegrass music? If not, we should change that line to more accurately reflect what the source actually says. Thanks, Elonka 02:23, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Looking deeper into it, this is really a remarkable article about a remarkable individual. I find myself impressed both by his accomplishments, and the amount of energy that has gone into the article so far. This article could potentially be "promoted" through the Wikipedia hierarchy to what is called Good article status, or even Featured Article status, which would give it a shot at being bannered on Wikipedia's Main Page for a day. However, it would need some work to get to that point. I'd be willing to help though. For example, many of the citations would need to be put into a more formalized format, and some of the more, hmm, "extemporaneous" comments would need to be filtered out. Better would be to stick strictly to what the sources say. But this might be a project worth doing!  :) --Elonka 04:14, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure, Elonka. It is very kind of you to compliment the article, and to offer to help improve it. However, although the subject is pretty clearly notable enough for a Wikipeda article, I doubt that the subject merits a "Good" article or "Featured" article or a Wikipedia Main Page. This is just a guy with some minor noteworthy achievements who's moved around a lot and mixed with some interesting people at interesting times. Not much more than that. Some record albums, a couple of novels, a book of poems, some legislative achievements for Indians, some law articles - but nothing that has taken the world by storm. But thanks again for your interest and offer of assistance, and for the excellent edits you have already made. Cheers, --Samuel.harding (talk) 10:31, 25 May 2008 (UTC)