Talk:Garfield (Pittsburgh)

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Checking edits via VandalProof and this entire article comes across as POV rather than encyclopedic statements of fact. RadioKirk talk to me 19:00, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I am the original author of this article, and I recently re-read the piece and also got the impression that it seemed a bit biased. The edits I've been making today (4/22/2006) are designed to remove any bias and to make the article more neutral. I hope you approve.

It's starting but, if I may be honest, there's a lot of work left. Phrases like "The old neighborhood did not die without a fight", "Nevertheless, the old neighborhood did die", and "Might Garfield rise again?" clearly push an author's POV. In order for them to stay in the article, you would have to cite a verifiable, reliable source with sufficient notability and expertise in the neighborhood and its history. Happy editing! RadioKirk talk to me 19:18, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your honesty. I have removed the sorts of phrases you called my attention to, and have finished editing the article. Whether it remains worthy of dispute is your call.

It's much better, though there are still a few trouble spots such as "turned a trickle into a torrent" and "a textbook case of white flight". This sort of prose is excellent for an article of this nature—if it's the considered opinion of an expert or official and is cited as such (as I outline above).

The same is true of "To halt what they perceived as the neighborhood's decline, in 1975 parishioners at St. Lawrence O'Toole founded ...". If there's no accompanying citation for the assertion, these become weasel words.

If I may humbly point you to an article I helped improve to Featured article status, Lindsay Lohan is an excellent study in the merger of opinion into a narrative of fact.

I've changed the {{pov}} tag into an {{unsourced}} tag :) RadioKirk talk to me 20:09, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Primary source?

Forgive me for my ignorance -- I haven't been involved in editing before. I've read the guidelines but thought I might ask for some clarification.

"To halt what they perceived as the neighborhood's decline, in 1975 parishioners at St. Lawrence O'Toole founded ..." My grandparents were among the founders of BGC, and that is, indeed, why they and Fr. Leo Henry started the organization. I've read about Wikipedia's use of sources, but haven't really found anything specific about primary sources. Is information like mine welcomed here? If so, where can I find guidelines?

QuinsKeystone 14:50, 12 June 2006 (UTC)