Talk:Gann Academy

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[edit] Not encyclopedic

Students often have uneasy feelings about the school and feel that the Administration is getting stricter and the school more prep-like. Many students say that since transfering to the new campus, the school has lost its "New Jew" feel - a reference to the open (the freedom to leave during the day) urban campus necesitated by the office building space (lacking a cafeteria) as well as the tight community fostered by the akward, small and unique building. An example of this were the student lounges in the Fleet building, which anchored the hallways and were central to social life, compared to them in the new campus which are often seen as uncomfortable and seperate from the daily life of the school. Nevertheless, the school's student body has increased every year since it's opening.

Not encyclopedic. Deleted.--Wasabe3543 14:20, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

What exactly makes it not encyclopedic. Maybe it wasn't written well, but the opinion of transition in the social nature of a school by its students seems to be one of the most important things one could say about it. I've reverted to original. Please clarify your concerns. --FluteyFlakes88 02:36, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

It's essentially original research:

Original research refers to material added to articles by Wikipedia editors that has not been published already by a reputable source. In this context it means unpublished theories, data, statements, concepts, arguments, and ideas; or any new interpretation, analysis, or synthesis of published data, statements, concepts, arguments that, in the words of Wikipedia's founder Jimbo Wales, would amount to a "novel narrative or historical interpretation".

Find a reputable source, wikify, and cite.--Wasabe3543 03:10, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

This article is essentially original research, in the sense that is a composition of materials unlocated elsewhere, by that definition. The text of that section was the editing of the section that currently existed so I'm not sure what it's original sources are. The sentiments expressed can be verified in print in the school's paper Shevuon HaTichon. This on top of multiple personal interviews conducted by author. --FluteyFlakes88 03:47, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

The other info is available for the most part over the web, either at the Gann web site or at the Jewish Advocate, Boston Globe, etc. (I don't deny that specific details in the article may not be verifiable, but that entire paragraph in particular was the most obvious.) However, multiple personal interviews=original research. Original research that creates primary sources is not allowed. Additionally, burden of evidence lies with the editor who has made the edit, which in this case is you, since you made the revert. Either link to the Shevuon article or get rid of it. --Wasabe3543 04:21, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

As far as I'm aware it doesn't exist on the internet. Futhermore, the 'interviews' were not done for the purpose of creating this article but were an experiential aspect of the general zeitgeist of the school. This isn't a case of original research being gathered here, but of largely unknown and irrelevent (relatively) local knowledge being presented for the first time extralocally. --FluteyFlakes88 04:28, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
The context of the interviews doesn't matter. "largely unknown and irrelevent (relatively) local knowledge being presented for the first time extralocally" is original research, and Wikipedia is not the place for it.--Wasabe3543 04:44, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
I've gone through the archives of the paper (tangible) and located it. The first of many published pieces on it is from the September 8th, 2004 issue, titled "Things Have Changed". I see no reason why this publication shouldn't be considered valid source material. --FluteyFlakes88 04:52, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Within the Jewish community of Massachusetts this is public knowledge with many including alumni speaking about this. The issues of the Fleet bank building vs. the building today has been published in multiple sources. These articles were printed and were available to all those that took the time to find it. Just because the school may be good at hiding it doesn't mean that it is not there. --Chalutz 15:55, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please Clarify

The last paragraph contains the following phrase: "the only option for most students who are not allowed off campus." Is it that all students are not allowed off campus, or some students are not allowed off campus (whereas some are)? Thanks, Reuvenk 05:06, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Seniors are allowed off camus if their parents fill out a form, all other students are restricted.

[edit] Lopsided

As an alum I was surprised at the size of this article. However, it is in need of major restructuring.

Firstly, I am merging the second paragraph of the introduction into the History. This paragraph was: The school recently moved into its new and current building at 333 Forest Street, the third building the school has inhabited. The school's original location was at 60 Turner Street in Waltham, adjacent to the campus of Brandeis University in a building owned by the University. Its second location was rented space in an office building shared with Fleet Bank (BankBoston at time of move in) at the intersection of Prospect and Main Streets in downtown Waltham. Not just is it misplaced, but it is in reverse chronoligical order and an incomplete history.

Secondly, there is a lot of latent and apparent bias in the article, along with all the original research as mentioned above. "Well known", "faithfully served", "top of the line", and "_____ is dedicated to ____" are all inappropriate (Well known would be fine if there were multiple citations, but there weren't any). The current quibblings of the student body are not appropriate for this article, even if the Advocate chooses to publish something on it. Same with stuff like the striking of the club hour from the Thursday schedule. There was no section on why the club hour went from twice to once a week (and rightfully so, because it's not a concern), and its complete removal should not be mentioned either. There was also a lot of original research in that section and its only citation was an editorial. I have removed many blatantly biased sentences and phrasings and I'll try to check up from time to time.

Thirdly, the lopsidedness. There is a huge section on technology (which I'll be reducing) and no section on Exploration Week. This is just too lopsided. I am not currently attending NewJew, so I can't actually add anything, but I call on a current student to please add this section. Talk about what Exploration week is, what the purpose/goals of EW are, and give a brief list of a few of the options available. The same should be done for the junior trip to Israel (again, you can mention that it was once a senior trip, but there is no need to discuss the board/parent/headmaster conflict).

There is also no section on Shevuon Hatichon, which should have at least one sentence on it.

While the section laying out the weekly schedule is fine, there is no information on the Beit Midrash or how courses work (both religious and secular offerings). There should be information on this too.

Once this is done I think we can get rid of the cleanup sign, but not until then.Tdmg 00:39, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

speaking of lopsided make sure to talk about the back of the red cross where the drugs flowed freely and of course lets not forget that during exploration week the amount of drinking that takes place due to lack of organized nightly activity. - Chalutz
I believe all of that would be original research. If there was an article on the "Gann drug problems" that mentioned such issues, then it would be noteworthy. Otherwise it's not appropriate for this article. However, I believe there is a lot of published material on the school that should be here. --Tdmg 14:30, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sports

Moved from article:

'Someone should add something about the sports teams and when they won championships, such as in 2002 when the boys soccer team won an overtime thriller by beating CSW 3-2 in a penalty shootout on the 7th shot with a save by Josh Bock. Regulation goals were scored that day by Uri Nurko and Daniel Packer. The following year, the boys repeated against the Waring School 1-0 with Tomer Radbil scoring the lone goal.' -- 66.31.159.171

I do not know if such detail is necessary, but something about sports should be mentioned. Not to say that there should only be a few sentences, but the section's concentration shouldn't be basketball, but sports in general. --Tdmg 14:22, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Moved from article (again): 'Someone should add something about the sports teams and when they won championships, such as in 2002 when the boys soccer team won an overtime thriller by beating CSW 3-2 in a penalty shootout on the 7th shot with a save by Josh Bock. Regulation goals were scored that day by Uri Nurko and Daniel Packer. The following year, the boys repeated against the Waring School 1-0 with Tomer Radbil scoring the lone goal. Also, the annual trip to Toronto to play in the Israel Becker basketball tournament should be noted, like when the girls won in 2006 and when the boys won in 2001.' Qqqqqq 04:24, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Redirection from Sitt/SITT

Why is it that when Sitt is searched the page gets redirected to this page? It should go to the page for Romantic Composer "Hans Sitt", it is more appropriate.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 19:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)