Talk:Gang Show

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[edit] What is a Gang Show?

This article tells about some gang shows that have taken place, but completely fails to tell what a gang show actually is. "an amateur variety show generally of a high standard and where the cast is made up of Scouts and Guides." just isn't enough information to give a clear picture (or any picture at all, really) of what exactly it is. (Note: This comment isn't just for the sake of argument - I really have no idea what one is.) --Tim4christ17 05:32, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

<irony> Do you mean we have to explain what Scouting (and its constituent activities) are all about? Can't we just assume that everybody knows that what we are on about is the greatest set of activities ever devised for young people? Are you serious that, just possibly, we have to explain ourselves? Albatross2147 06:27, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, to be honest, its actualy hard to explain what a gang show is. Its sort of Like Trying to Explain what Red is to a blind person - You can give them a technical description, tell them about light refraction and reflection, how you percive colours, and all the other scientific aspects of the Colour red till you are blue in the face, so to speak, but you still wouldn't have explained what red Is. The best we really can do is explain what it is like, and provide as much inner detail as possible, and let you draw your own conclusions, because we can't really explain to you what a Gang Show IS unless you've experienced it for yourself - either seeing a show, or Being in one. Trust me, I've been trying to explain for 10 years to people What the Brisbane Gang show is, and I've not once found a way that didn't leave people going "But what IS It?" (Churba 03:58, 17 July 2006 (EST))

It's true, it's extremely hard to give a satisfying definition of Gang Show. People only really get it once they've experienced it Dac 04:38, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scouting

A "see also" link on Scouting to this article was deleted as being country specific. Is the Gang Show wider than the few countries mentioned - UK, NZ and Oz? If so, it should reflect that and then a link to the main artice might be justified. If it is limited to a few countries, it should not be linked there. --Bduke 07:23, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History, organisation, format...

These three sections are all a bit mixed up at the moment, and this makes things confusing... I'll see what I can do if I have the time, but I'm a little preoccupied - if anyone else can see to it, that would be great... Horus Kol Talk 16:18, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

Otago Gang Show doesn't seem notable on its own; however it should be mentioned in this article. --jergen 18:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

  • support merge per nom. Chris 21:14, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
  • merge Rlevse 21:59, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
  • support merge per jergen's arguments. --Bduke 22:30, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
  • support merge - no references :: maelgwntalk 23:34, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I have completed the merge, adding some material to the Otago section of the article. --Bduke 10:43, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested Split

Anyone else think this section is getting far too long? It's essentially inviting a summary of every Gang Show in the world and that's just making things cluttered. I have no issues with keeping all the external links, but for this section I think we may need to condense it. Your thoughts? Dac 22:17, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Further to this point I think it's necessary to consider a split article, because it is much too long to simply remain a part of this article. The proposal is to split the Gang Shows Around The World section off into its own article. Your thoughts? Dac 00:55, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

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  • oppose There is not enough material here to justify a split yet. You will get more exposure on this if you announce it at WP:SCOUT --Gadget850 ( Ed) 12:24, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
  • oppose Per gadget and too much of this content is unreferenceable, should be trimmed and referenced to address issues. :: maelgwn - talk 12:35, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
  • oppose, for reasons above. Chris 23:30, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

OK, then I'll condense it all. Most of the material is not needed so I'll cut it down to a name, location and how long it's been around. Dac 09:02, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

That might be going a bit too far and more than this discussion has suggested. The main point is, in my opinion, to cut out advert-like material and general puffery. Each piece should concentrate on the essentials, which of course include name, location and how long it has been around, but there are in some cases other points to leave in. Many of the external links can be from the section itself, as many are now, rather then putting them in a separate "External links" section. --Bduke 12:20, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
I agree—eliminating all of the text is not the way to go, we just end up with a laundry list. Show information should include year of start, notable people and events. Entries do not need every director, every song or skit and the like. External links should be made into proper references. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 14:02, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Well, I'll work on it, and see how it goes. The laundry list may not be perfect but it's better for the moment that the insanely long list we had before. Dac 22:21, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Gang Shows around the World - Australia

I beleive that Strzlecki Showtime should be removed from this list as it is not a Gang Show per se, or at least add Camberwell ST, Whitehorse ST and South Metro ST to the list to be fair.

Michaelkurtanjek (talk) 11:21, 25 March 2008 (UTC)