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[edit] Thank You

Hey there! =) I just wanted to thank you for welcoming to Wikipedia a while back when I was new here. So, thank you. ^.^ I no longer come to this site, so forgive the newbie entry I made. ShadowFox S.T.A.R.S.


Wow, that was awhile ago. Better late than never I always say. As far as not using Wikipedia anymore, I can understand that. I sometimes get fairly frustrated with the nonsense and policy and almost give up at times. Good luck with whatever it is you do now. Gamer Junkie T / C 03:15, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dynasty warriors

Hey Junkie! I'm curious why you've decided to include all the character info for the Dynasty Warrior series on the respective pages of the historical figures they represent? The reason I ask is because your entries are very detailed and well written, and if you compiled them in one location it would make an extraordinary article! Also, the material seems a little out of place on the biographical pages, since there is detailed info from the games that is essentially unrelated the principal subject of each articles. Of course, this is just an unsolicited recommendation from a stranger, so I trust you to do what you think is best. Kindest regards, AlphaEta 03:58, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

  • I definitely know what you mean! As I'm sure you're aware, anything even tangentially associated with video games can rapidly devolve into a disjointed trivia list. Thanks, AlphaEta 16:02, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DW Images

Hi. Thanks for the tip. I felt that since the game's out, all of the Warriors' portraits needed an update but I'm pretty new at this and I know so little about all of Wikipedia's guidelines, which I should take a gander at. Man, that's why I only browse the articles most of the time. And yes, I will not alter Dong Zhuo's image to his DW6 incarnation. Satsu Ryu (talk) 06:39, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] merryweather Jones

  • ..did you read it? "The shameless Hollywood whoring of both Lee and Fat just reinforces what I find repulsive and repellant about movies being produced in this country.." hardly seems encyclopedic.. ;-)
  • Ling.Nut (talk) 07:40, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Ha ha. I didn't read that far into it, but I was actually only using the third-party resource to reinforce the truth behind the statement that there is actually a movie called Red Cliff being made by John Woo and released in 2008. Maybe a less crass source? Gamer Junkie 10:39, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Less crass would be good. I liked the pix tho. ;-) Ling.Nut (talk) 10:46, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, and it also talks about it being a showcase and all that. It's got everything we need. Too bad. Gamer Junkie 10:56, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Re: AfD for Raccoon Police Department

Part of closing an AfD when the consensus is far from clear is evaluating the arguments from both sides. It is not strictly a numbers game in such cases. See Wikipedia:Deletion_guidelines_for_administrators#Rough_consensus:

Consensus is not determined by counting heads, but by looking at strength of argument, and underlying policy (if any). Arguments that contradict policy, are based on opinion rather than fact, or are logically fallacious, are frequently discounted. For instance, if someone finds the entire page to be a copyright violation, a page is always deleted. If an argument for deletion is that the page lacks sources, but an editor adds the missing references, said argument is no longer relevant. (emphasis mine)

I realized the decision might be controversial which is why I added an explanation for the decision when I closed it. I sincerely hope you will take the article to deletion review if you think my decision was faulty or very flawed. Best, Pigman☿ 06:39, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Because of your complaint, I took the article to WP:DRV myself in order to get other opinions on my judgment in this situation. Please see here for the discussion. Currently, opinion is running 5-0 affirming the deletion. I'd like to emphasize that my role in closing AfDs is almost entirely administrative although I am tasked with weighing the arguments in cases like this one. I don't have the time or energy to salvage or improve every article that comes through the process that I close, even just the borderline ones. Between 120-170 articles go through AfD every day and those awaiting processing is currently backlogged by several days. Cheers, Pigman☿ 18:54, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Gamer Junkie, if you're genuinely confident that you can add references to reliable sources establishing the real-world notability of the Raccoon Police Department, I'd be happy to send you the last version of the article prior to deletion to work on in userspace. --Stormie (talk) 23:30, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I believe that anybody can add references to this particular article. I wouldn't have voted for it to remain if that wasn't the case. The information can be absolutely confirmed simply by playing the games and referencing the memos and cinematic dialogue. I said that I would do it and that wasn't a lie, but right now, I'm working on referencing List of Dynasty Warriors characters. I have 52 characters worth of referencing to establish, the article falls within the boundries of my personal WikiProject, and I've already given my word to my fellow project members that this will be my next major overhaul. I'm not going to be finished anytime soon, but I would reference the article as soon as I could. The problem is, I don't believe the bureaucrats have the patience for such an effort. Gamer Junkie 03:58, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Well the problem is that the article was deleted for not meeting Wikipedia's notability standards for fiction. Playing the games and referencing the memos and cinematic dialogue isn't going to establish that, it needs "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". --Stormie (talk) 10:33, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I couldn't in all honesty say that I know where to find references of that kind pertaining to such guidelines, although I also couldn't say that there aren't other editors who would know. I suppose we'll not find out as long as articles are being nominated and removed before anybody has the chance to try. Just forget it, this whole mess is wasting time that could be better spent editing articles, and I've got a lot to do. Gamer Junkie 11:12, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Before anyone had a chance to try? The article was there for nearly two years without anyone providing references establishing notability. Anyway, there is a Resident Evil wiki over at Wikia which is probably a better place for a detailed article about characters in the Resident Evil series. --Stormie (talk) 11:42, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
References had been provided and subsequently removed over time due to them stemming from blacklisted sources. I think people just gave up trying to find anything that would legitimately fit with protocol. If there had been a time factor in place for references to be added before the article was deleted, I'm sure people would try. Assume good faith. Isn't that one of Wikipedia's policies or something? Gamer Junkie 11:54, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion review on Raccoon Police Department

An AfD in which you commented has been brought to Deletion Review, You may wish to comment there. [1] DGG (talk) 09:33, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your notification, DGG, but I've already stated my opinion. I'd only be repeating myself to a number of considerably less hospitable members who hold polar opposite perspectives regarding the operation of Wikipedia. It's going to be policy after guideline after policy hurled in my direction, going back and forth between nominations, previous statements, reviews and technicalities to defend my position, which is just about everything I despise about that inner machinations of this project. I would rather just get back to referencing articles. Gamer Junkie 11:12, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bouncer (doorman)

I just read your article and wanted to congratulate you on your vast improvement of the article after seeing the previous version. And I wish there was a way I could support your nomination for FA status when you got around to it, but in either case, well done. :D (♠Taifarious1♠) 01:47, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

To be honest, the majority of references and book quotes were added by User:ingolfson. He deserves a great deal of credit, surely more than me, but thanks for your support. Gamer Junkie 01:53, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
And in turn I cannot take all of the credit either - User:Nazamo did most of the history research. A collaborative effort, as Wikipedia should be. PS: Gamer Junkie, I have rephrased the force part, lets renominate for GA, what do you think? Ingolfson (talk) 09:51, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

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I got this message on my talk page. This is another reason I don't like uploading non-free media. ;-) —Bkell (talk) 21:20, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Half-life characters template

Good Evening.

In answer to your statement I think we should make a separate list for more important supporting characters and those less important. We can't have characters that accompany the player through most of the game like Alyx does in the same league with characters who are just part of the storyline and appaer only at few points of the game and aren't accompanying the player like Dr. Arne Magnusson.

Regards. - SuperTank17 (talk) 23:13, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Good Evening.
I'll make the appropriate changes myself. Thank you for your suggestion.
Regards. - SuperTank17 (talk) 00:00, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Good Evening.
Thank you for pointing out that minor error to me. I hope to edit some more with you in the future.
Regards. - SuperTank17 (talk) 23:50, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] For your kind support and defense of Resident Evil articles

Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
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Thank you for assuming good faith and writing such thoughtful posts! Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 00:44, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Don't mention it. I won't stand for others being treated as though their opinions are any less valuable or relevant. Gamer Junkie T / C 01:23, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
I think this case (the Arkley research facility article) should go to WP:DRV, this was a somewhat tough decision one way or the other it was susceptible to go through review, one camp saying the article being consisting of original research, the other saying being notable as part of a notable film/game, etc. I agree with those two aspects. With the redirect, the info is still available to all and if the deletion review results in reversing the redirect move, we could revert the last edit. Feel free to name it WP:DRV. Thanks. --JForget 19:53, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
For now, the info on the facility is still available (via history edits) and can be either userfied or merged to any Resident Evil article for now. Quite frankly, while not very familiar with anything related to Resident Evil, even though I've seen the first two movies, but did not played the games itself nor remember the characters/facilities, etc, it looks to be notable enough to at least be mentionned somewhere - if it is improved, one can be bold and fully restore it/revert my last edit (to avoid the lengthy discussion/back-in forth as you mentionned) (or the DRV). I think it does have potential to be a good article especially if more content is verifiable (most especially the second half of the content) - this case looks more similar to Raccoon City were it was closed at first as no-consensus and I've seen some discussion about trimming some OR. For now, I've redirected to the main Residential Evil article, not sure where exactly to put it - Raccoon City, Umbrella Corporation, the video game, or one of the films, etc. So for now, do you want the content to be userfied or do you want me merge it somewhere--JForget 00:52, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Well I've send the info at User:Gamer Junkie/Arklay Research Facility for the moment whenever either you or another user who is heavily involved in video games, movies or specifically Resident Evil articles wants to do the improvements before returning it to mainspace (or if one prefers not to be bold and passes through DRV).--JForget 01:17, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Plot summary rules

The general rule on plot summaries, whatever the medium, is that they be kept reasonably short (see WP:NOT#PLOT) not only for reasons of general encyclopedicity but especially so for copyrighted works as a lengthy, detailed plot summary can be considered a copyright violation. The different projects (WP:FILM, WP:NOVEL etc.) have their own interpretations of this, and the relevant one here is WP:FilmPlot, which says: "Plot summaries should be between 400 and 700 words and should not exceed 900 words unless there is a specific reason such as a very complicated plot." And that one at Screamers is way over that limit. Daniel Case (talk) 05:18, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

"Guideline" doesn't mean you can necessarily ignore it if you want — you need consensus that such a long retelling of the story is necessary (and given that it's a copyrighted work, I doubt you'd get it). It's undergirded by the main principle at WP:PLOT, which reads in relevant part: "A brief plot summary may sometimes be appropriate as an aspect of a larger topic."

In any case that plot summary takes up way too much of the article. We've been trimming down plot summaries for quite some time now ... I had to do it to The Devil Wears Prada a great deal during peer review, but you know what? The article as a whole became better off for it. Daniel Case (talk) 05:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

And please remember to assume good faith about the reasons behind a guideline or policy. Saying it was probably written to advance a deletionist agenda is not going to go far if you get into arguments about it. Daniel Case (talk) 05:54, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to take so much time responding to your last ... it was hidden behind a couple of other notes to my talk page and I only found it when scrolling back up.

That guideline has been around for roughly a year now, and I thought everyone was aware of it, hence no post to the talk page. I suppose I could or would cut it myself, but I haven't seen the movie and it should probably be done by someone familiar with it. Daniel Case (talk) 07:45, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

The fact that the guideline has only been around for a year is why I consider it creep. Pretty much anything that isn't a founding policy or guideline has been added, frankly, by people attempting to legitimise a Wiki-MoS/guideline/policy they feel should be adhered to. I promise you now that Jimbo Wales didn't say anything about limiting plot analysis to 1000 words or less back in '01-'02. I also promise that it was almost certainly a veteran administrator who subscribes to the Deletionist philosophy, and who believed him/herself to have enough clout and experience to dictate a universal MoS. This was almost certainly backed by his/her fellow members who also subscribe to said philosophy and who are also the most active types of editors in regards to Wiki-bureaucracy and, thus, it became a guideline. I'm sorry, but this is merely information creep. I don't believe a plot analysis of over 1000 words to be detrimental to the function of Wikipedia. Gamer Junkie T / C 09:38, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bouncer (doorman)

Hi Gamer Junkie, I have now nominated this as GA, as you suggested. I haven't quite made up my mind about FA yet. Easy enough to shoe that in later on - I must admit that having something reviewed seems to be one of the most brutal processes available on Wikipedia (or anywhere?) if - like me - you do tend to take things personal ;-) So one step at a time.... Cheers Ingolfson (talk) 08:41, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hi GJ!

Hi GJ, I'm doing fine. I just started a new semester of teaching... I'm also supposed to be working on my dissertation. So life is slogging along slowly. I'm trying not to edit Wikipedia, but something came up... How are you? Hope things are going well! Ling.Nut (talk) 00:47, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Zanbato

Just wanted to say good job, haven't looked in on the article in a couple years and now I see its much improved, it even looks like a real article (although some sources would be nice, stupid things rarity and foriegn language and anime stuff doesn't seem to make that easy). Woulda done it myself, if it didn't involve argueing with idjits that the Buster sword is as close to a Zweihander or Claymore as a Zanbato. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.137.207.191 (talk) 09:36, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I'd also like to see more references added eventually. It'll happen. Wikipedia's not going anywhere and there's a lot of people who visit now. Sooner or later somebody's going to come across a book or set of references we can use. As for the anime and manga stuff... well, myself and a couple of others attempted to compromise by leaving certain portions and then asking that people add only specifically labelled and referenced anime/manga weapons to the list. After about another 20 or 30 additions without a single reference, I pretty much came to the end of my tether and simply deleted it all. Don't think we've had a problem since. Last obstacle will be those references you mentioned, then we'll see about submission for ratings nomination, eh? Gamer Junkie T / C 10:31, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Meng Huo.jpg

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[edit] Orphaned non-free media (Image:Huang Zhong.jpg)

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[edit] RE:Zanbato

I removed the FF paragraph because you were being, however unknowingly, ridiculously biased. I assume you're just unaware, rather than being intentionally hypocritical, but Ruroni Kenshin, Fire Emblem, and Naruto all also reference the weapon by name, and feature them far more prominently. RK and Naruto have major characters who use them as primary weapons, while Fire Emblem has used them as a weapon in every game in the series (often translating the name more loosely in the English releases, as "calvary sword" and the like). --erachima talk 08:00, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm the one who added the hidden comment demanding the series refer to them by name in the first place.[2] You're preaching to the choir here. --erachima talk 08:44, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
You mean the refs? Mostly because they were self-evident: the Fire Emblem listing already mentioned the game the weapon specifically appeared in, Sagara Sanosuke's article already describes him using one, etc.
Plus, as I mentioned, those ones you removed were far more prominent cases than special attacks by summons. Just to give an idea, a previous version of Sanosuke's article actually opened "Sagara Sanosuke of the Zanbato...". and he's the character with the second most screen time in the series. --erachima talk 09:23, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Statements that are basic knowledge with regard to a subject (i.e. in the definition of the term) don't need a reference, they need a wikilink. "Mining corporation Arch Coal", not "Mining corporation[1] Arch Coal". And the Fire Emblem statement already gave the specific game in the series, just as the Final Fantasy one you considered sufficiently referenced did.
At this point we're really splitting hairs though. Glad it's worked out now, have a good night. --erachima talk 09:44, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
...wait a second. You know video games, but never heard of Ruroni Kenshin? That's slightly surprising in itself. Hooray for unfounded assumptions, I suppose. --erachima talk 09:48, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
If I came across as obnoxious, it was not my intention and I apologize. --erachima talk 16:58, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bouncers (again)

Hi Gamer Junkie - as you may have noticed, I gave this one another big push. I have added lots of material, thanks to a motherlode of an academic text that I finally found free online, and have taken care of a few other problems. Want to work on anything yourself?

So how about we go for another nomination? Ingolfson (talk) 01:08, 4 May 2008 (UTC)