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[edit] Content Lacking

As of 9/28/06, this article doesn't even mention the 6-day war in 1967, and Nasser's involvement in the run-up and subsequent disaster. This is absurd. We need some proper historians to assist us bringing this article into proper and realistic context.

This article indeed does not mention a lot of things in general. To mention a few the complex relationship of Nasser with the Muslim brotherhood (An egyptian researcher Tewfiq Aklimandos worked thoroughly on this), the united arab republic experiment (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Republic), the nasserist influence and legacy (his popularity was immense in Egypt and the broader arab world), the agrarian reform, the nationalization of awqaf ... Also nothing about the non-aligned movement and the Asian-African (Bandung) Conference articles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandung_Conference

do something about it yourself dont sit around complaining!

[edit] Neutrality

Due to certain paragraphs throughout this article (including "As a testament to his greatness" and, more poignantly, the tiny section on the Six Day War and his role in it compared to the Suez Crisis), i'd say the article has lost its Neutral tone.

Due credit has not been given to Nasser for being the forerunner in freeing the arab world from imperialism. The west will always have its bitterness about Nasser. The article comments and judges nasser's actions. - ashokthommandi

[edit] Anon

ummm I find this really scary considering i came too this site for more information on American and English involvment in the war crime (pre-emptive strike) on Egypt, after i've just watched an interesting documentary on The Black Bird spy plane ,in which an american air force officer freely admits he witnessed british and american flights of f-111 s returning from Alexandria during these pre-emptive strikes.And that america was freely updating Israel with intel and dispositions on all regional forces involved.

[edit] Name...?

Google shows 383 hits for "Gamal Abdal Nasser" (of which Wikipedia are, unsurprisingly, 1 and 2) and 12,200 hits for Gamal Abdel Nasser. I'll move the page tomorrow unless there are strenuous objections. - Hephaestos 06:53 May 3, 2003 (UTC)

Please do. -- Zoe

There is a sentence "Nasser died of a heart attack only two weeks after the war ended, on September 28", but the war ended in August 7. Is it the longest tow weeks in the history? Eran 16:33, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Minor Changes

Removed the line "Some accounts however, say that it was a sound Egyptian military victory." because it really offers nothing to the passage. The line before this one drew the same conclusion without telling the reader exactly what the author thinks.
Also removed a few double spaces in this paragraph.

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[edit] What Happened?

What Happened to the Nasserism, Legacy, Six-Day War, Arab leader and Personal sections? Also why were all of his pictures removed?

Don't know about the pictures but I rather rewrote the article, i suppose i rather left out those sections, feel free to add them back. ShortJason 21:09, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

--85.69.128.159 23:37, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Family

The spiel about Hoda Abd El Nasser under "Early Life" seems way out of place and far too spammy. First, it has absolutely nothing to do with Nasser's early life. Second, it is an advertisement and really belongs under "external links". Third, the theory of operation of the advertised website and archives do not need to be explained on a page about Nasser. It really needs revision.

Agreed. It's on my to-do list, but very near the bottom, so feel free to fix it. Palmiro | Talk 17:03, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

I agree with Palmiro, I do not think it is the norm here that family members piggy back on their famous relatives.

I think the part on his family should be added in a seperate section. I put up a list of his children for now, till I find more information on each one. Ahmed Mohamed | Talk 1 November 2006

[edit] Gamal and Jamal

The name of the presedent Gamal can be pronounced Jamal also. Indeed, Jamal is the pronunciation in formal Arabic, and other arabic dialects except for egyptian. Since Nasser was egyptian i see why his name is written Gamal, but i think it should be mentioned somewhere that it could be pronounced Jamal. The point is that when i searched for Jamal, i got no results, and i was confused. I believe that when you search for Jamal Abdel Nasser, it should return the result of Gamal Abdel Nasser. I have never edited an article in Wikipedia, and i'm hesitant to do so, at least right now, because i dont know how. So would someone work on that please?

I totally agree with you! Well said.

He is known as Gamal in most of the litterature and should appear as such on wikipedia. This is a standard pratice in academic work even though, technically, a standard transliteration would have his name spelt jamal or ǧamal depending of the system used for detials see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_transliteration).

[edit] Brioni Declaration?

There are photos on the page of Nasser with Tito and Nehru which are only explained as part of the 1956 "Brioni Declaration," an event I can't find on Wikipedia and which seems to refer to a 1991 event as well (judging from search engine results). The photos also appear on Non-aligned_nations - which is not linked from the Nasser page - so it has something to do with that, but more of an explanation is in order.

It's thisBrioni declaration. Arre 23:22, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

The start of the article is written in a biased view, and not factual. Possibly by an Egyptian or Muslim I would imagine.

I'll have to ask whoever wrote that for some sort of justification (i.e., specific examples). ShortJason 21:08, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I find the begining to be flattering, however it is factual nothing said was wrong, though its style was POV I guess.(not all Egyptians and Muslims are biased). Zakaria mohyeldin 07:32, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Year of publishing

Nasser's Book "The Philosophy of the Revolution" was first published in 1955. NOT 1959 as you have I tried editing it but you guys keep reversing it. By the way the actual title is "Egypt's Liberation The Philosophy of the Revolution" You have spelt philosophy incorrectly as well.! Kind Regards195.93.21.71 16:42, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

The anon is right. The year of the publishing is 1955. Please do not revert the correction. see the reference. Cheers -- Szvest 17:24, 22 May 2006 (UTC) Wiki me up™

[edit] Trivia

  • For a long time my area's postman had the same face as Gamal Abdel Nasser. Anthony Appleyard 21:44, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Context of withdrawal of Western credits

Source is Christopher Andrew and Vasili Mitrokhin, The World was going our way, p147. The chapter also implies that KGB was in contact with Nasser prior to this. The dating is unclear though so I didn't include that.

[edit] Assassination attempt?

I'm sure I read something recently about an assassination attempt by the Muslim Brotherhood, which killed his bodyguard and wounded him. Can anyone further elaborate. --MacRusgail 16:05, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

yep, alexandria, October 1954, assassin was an Ikhwani, abd-al-latif, later executed. jackbrown (talk) 14:03, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Critic section

Where is the critic section, more analysis is needed on all of these leaders.. --Halaqah 21:29, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Resignation

I find the mention of his resignation address to be mentioned in just one sentence. I believe that his popularity among Egyptians and Arabs at the time is best described through this event. I added a section his resignation and its aftermath.

[edit] Heat

"Emotions, which included telecasters crying on the air, boiled over in the 80-degree heat"

80-degree heat? Is that really correct? Is that even possible? That's a temperature I'd expect in a sauna, not ourdoors. Ossi 20:59, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

How about 80°F (c.27°C; see Fahrenheit)...?  Regards, David Kernow (talk) 15:46, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Ah, that sounds more reasonable. I automatically assumed the temperature to be in Celcius degrees. But yes, the unit should be mentioned. Ossi 00:06, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


The BBC article here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/october/1/newsid_2485000/2485899.stm says "scores of people were crushed or battered to death" because of the crowd surges at his funeral. Is this not worth mentioning in the article? I would do it but I still haven't figured out how to do web link citations. Tilefish 12:41, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The first image

The first image needs to be updated. It seems like it has been deleted or something. --TheEgyptian 18:56, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Evidence?

Edited out this part until someone wants to give citations for their sweeping, general claims:

"Nasser turned the country into a police state. Many of the oppositionists were either arrested or assassinated. It is not known exactly how many people were killed by the state security apparatus during Nasser's 16 years in power. Thousands of Egyptians were forced to flee the country to escape his regime."

My favorite is this one: "It is not known exactly how many people were killed by the state security apparatus during Nasser's 16 years in power."

Oh, well, then if NOBODY KNOWS, no reason to source it, might as well just report it as fact. Hey, I think I'll go to the wiki article on "Gandhi" and write "Nobody knows how many children Gandhi molested and how many puppies he kicked in the face, so I won't bother to provide a citation" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.230.155.34 (talk) 04:57, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

This is a good point. But on the other hand the article definitely requires explicit mention of the regime's savage treatment of the Communists and the Muslim Brothers in 1954, 1959, and 1965-66. Many many thousands were tortured, probably on the order of a hundred thousand imprisoned, and the bitterness of this still distinctly colors many people's feelings about Nasser in Egypt. jackbrown (talk) 14:00, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The New Constitution

Can someone add a year to this section? It's unclear from the way it's written. 207.112.40.235 23:42, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Religious freedom under Nasser?

How were non-Muslim minorities, particularly Jews, treated in Egypt during Nasser's rule? Josh (talk) 13:00, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't think that is particularly significant for a biography on Nasser, especially since he doesn't have a history or reputation of persecuting Jews in Egypt (there numbers were in the mid-hundreds anyway). Nasser led a very secular Arab nationalist regime, so Copts, Greek Orthodox Christians and Muslims were treated alike. He is notorious, however, for unjustly imprisoning Islamists and Communists. --Al Ameer son (talk) 21:10, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. :) Josh (talk) 20:52, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Economic policies

The current economy section reads like a paean, but doesn't seem to mention at all that his expulsion of some 30,000 Brits and French plus probably 100,000+ Greeks decimated huge swathes of the economy... Jpatokal (talk) 16:31, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Could you provide a source for that. I'm not arguing it but we need a cite for these claims. I hope soon I could edit this article more since I have his bio. --Al Ameer son (talk) 16:44, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Here's one:
After the revolution in 1952, Nasser’s regime adopted a stage-by-stage approach to transforming Egyptian society. In September 1952, it decreed land redistribution, placing a ceiling on ownership of roughly 216 acres, a move that drastically affected the cotton sector. Almost three years later, Nasser proclaimed the “Egyptianization” of foreign companies and joint ventures. This measure still gave some wiggle-room to Greeks who were in partnerships or on boards with Egyptians, but everyone could read the writing on the wall. ...
An avalanche of measures restricting the activities of foreigners followed each other in quick succession. In 1956, the Egyptian government placed all foreign community organizations and schools under its jurisdiction. In 1957, the Egyptian leader nationalized all foreign-owned banks and insurance companies, and he also ordered all foreign agencies and representations to pass on to Egyptian ownership. The coup de grace came with a string of nationalization of Greek and foreign-owned manufacturing companies.
Within a few years, the Greek presence in Egypt was reduced to a few thousand persons. Their number has dwindled since then but several hundreds remain, as do a handful of their once-imposing communal institutions. These few Greeks who are left might not have said goodbye yet, but their Alexandria is lost.
And I'll correct myself: the Greeks weren't expelled, they just had all their companies nationalized. Which, in practice, amounted to pretty much the same thing. Jpatokal (talk) 10:16, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Foreign policy section

Most of the events described in the "Suez Canal" section occur before most of the events described in the "Relationship with the Soviet Union" section. Shouldn't the order of these two sections be reversed? --rogerd (talk) 13:26, 9 June 2008 (UTC)