User talk:Gala0008

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Hello, Gala0008, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions especially to The Debarted. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Our intro page provides helpful information for new users - please check it out! If you need help, visit Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on this page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Happy editing! Ctjf83Talk 03:29, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


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[edit] Nice Work!

Hey, was reading through some of those Happy Tree Friends articles, good stuff. :) Just thought I'd let you know its noticed and thanks for the edits, they were exactly what I was looking for when I did a Happy Tree Friends episodes search. Take care! Shallon Michaels (talk) 00:58, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of Happy Tree Friends episodes

Hi there. I just dropped by to say before you make any more individual episode articles, I suggest you look at the episode guideline and the general notability guideline. Can the articles satisfy the notability requirement? I've taken a look at a good few of the articles and none of them so far show any substantial independent coverage. I think you'd be better off improving the list of episodes page to a good standard like List of Avatar: The Last Airbender episodes has been (now a featured list). I think this would be a much better use of your time. Bill (talk|contribs) 23:26, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I've noticed that since I left this message, you've created Better Off Bread and it has the same issues that previous episode articles have. Have you had a chance to read those guidelines? You're risking your work being effectively deleted as unless the articles can satisfy the guidelines and the Wikipedia is not just for plot details policy. If you have any questions, either respond here (I have your talkpage watchlisted) or on my talkpage (I'll reply there if you do). Bill (talk|contribs) 20:24, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
What would you suggest I do, Bill? I read the guidelines and all, but I'm still kinda confused as to what it is you're taking issue with. I'm just following the format other people before me have used when they created Happy Tree Friends episode pages, and no one really seemed to mind about their style of writing (except for an occasional copyright complaint, most of which apparently never stuck). There have even been two speedy deletion requests for two articles I've written, one being the first one I wrote (back when I wasn't entirely sure how to write an article on Wikipedia) and another for some claim I stole copyrighted material from a website I'd never even heard of. Both speedy deletion requests were overturned, so I've always assumed that means that the admins didn't take issue with how I wrote my articles.

If you have any suggestions as to how I can make my articles more in line with the guidelines, please let me know so I can fix them. And just so you know, I didn't create Better Off Bread after you sent your message as a sign of defiance. I only saved it because I had already written everything out prior to reading your message and I opted to submit the work rather than lose it all. Sorry if it seemed like I was ignoring you. And just so you know, prior to writing my response to your message (ie what you're reading right now), I had already written a page for the episode I Get a Trick Out of You. Seeing as how you've given me this warning, I'll save what I've written in a word document until I hear back from you. (Gala0008 (talk) 20:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC))

Thanks for your reply. Don't worry I didn't think you were ignoring me, I thought something may have occurred that caused you to not see my message so I sent another. As requested, here's a few things (not all are necessary) that you can add to the articles that would help satisfy the guidelines:
  • Reception section: E.g. How the article was received by critics, any awards won, etc.
  • Production information: E.g. Details on how the episode was created, last minute changes, problems, cultural references, etc. (DVD features can sometimes provide this information)
  • Broadcast information: (this may not be relevant for internet episodes) E.g. Anything reported on the broadcast such as censorship, banned in certain countries, etc.
The guidelines and policies are really just asking for reliably sourced "real world" information. Basically, adding anything that can provide information beyond the details of what happened in the episode would be a good step towards satisfying the guidelines. This whole issue happened to me almost a year ago exactly. I'm involved in the Invader Zim task force and I was maintaining the episode articles. It was brought to my attention that the articles weren't meeting the various guidelines and policies and all but three articles ended up being redirected to the list of episode article. All the important details, such as the director, writers, air-date and a short summary of the plot have been kept, but instead of individual articles they're in a list. Bill (talk|contribs) 21:28, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your suggestions Bill. I'll try doing some research to see if I can flesh out the articles before I write any more. Sorry if I sounded crass in my previous response, it's been a frustrating week and this potential deletion business was kinda jolting. I'll ask my fellow Happy Tree Friends editors to search for and submit their own reception and production information. Thank you for the heads up, and I apologize in advance if any future articles fall short of the guidelines. (Gala0008 (talk) 21:47, 8 May 2008 (UTC))
No need to apologize. It was pretty jolting when it happened to me as I had spent much time on the articles, but once I was going in the right direction I helped improve a few episode articles and the list of episodes. Good luck with your research and editing. Bill (talk|contribs) 22:39, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Hey Bill, I tried finding your talk page but Wikipedia kept redirecting me. I attempted adding some cultural references and production info to some of the HTF episodes. I was wondering if you could take a look and tell me if they're good to go now. I added cultural references to Better Off Bread and Stayin' Alive and changed some Trivia information into Production Information for Happy Trails Pt. 2: Jumping the Shark and Eye Candy Thank you in advance!
That's a good start, especially the production note and the award details. To satisfy the notability guideline, these things need to be sourced with reliable sources. Sources independent of the subject are best for this (i.e. not involved in the production of the episode). Bill (talk|contribs) 20:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Hey Bill. Turns out what you warned me about has finally happened. I got a deletion notice for one of my articles and it seems like more may follow if this guy gets his way. I was thinking about your suggestion of 3rd party sources and I had a few questions. First, since this is an episode of an internet cartoon, would citing youtube be allowed? I ask because youtube carries the cartoon, but it wasn't involved in the creation of the cartoon. Secondly, would I be allowed to cite the Happy Tree Friends DVDs, seeing as they contain the information on production and awards? Third, on the main Happy Tree Friends page on Wikipedia they list an unofficial Happy Tree Friends website as one of the sources. I checked the site out and it has videos on it, so I was wondering if I could use that website as a source? Thank you again for alerting me of this potential problem and for all the help you've been! (Gala0008 (talk) 00:39, 12 May 2008 (UTC))
Good questions. If you're citing the episode directly, that would be a primary source so it doesn't matter where the video is hosted. That's only really useful for descriptive purposes though, such as plot information. If you do wish to cite an episode directly, you can use {{cite episode}}. The DVDs are excellent for production information and other information. But to best way to establish notability and prevent the articles from being deleted is to find reviews. The awards are a good step in the right direction, but I fear that if the reception section is just noting a single award, AFD will still decide to merge the information into the main list of episodes. For your final question, my answer's basically the same as the first one. If you want to use the episodes themselves as a source, you don't have to link to a video, you can just say which episode you're citing using the cite episode template. What I suggest you do now is work on the episode article that has been nominated for deletion. If you can show that the episode is notable and the article can meet the guidelines and policies then it will buy you time to fix up the other episode articles. Bill (talk|contribs) 12:41, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks again! I'll get to work on that and hope that things work out. There's a lot more to editing Wikipedia than I once thought. (Gala0008 (talk) 15:19, 12 May 2008 (UTC))
You're welcome. Good luck with your editing! Bill (talk|contribs) 13:33, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re:A quick HTF message

About episode articles, you can get inspirations from other show episodes such as The Simpsons episodes, or Family Guy episodes or any show you are interested to check. You can go in a list and look at random episodes. I count on you and the HTF editors to give acceptable contain in episodes articles.

--Mr Alex (talk) 22:25, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


Once you'll be ready to put new HTF episode pages, I'd like you to tell me.

--Mr Alex (talk) 03:57, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RE: HTF episodes

I have good news, I got an idea to make episodes articles just like you did before. You can make them in the Happy Tree Friends wiki HTF wiki, and I'll make external links in the list. If you accept this work, start with the deleted articles, such as Helping Helps, Crazy Antics and Class Act, and then the next episodes. Once you'll finish with the internets shorts go on with the TV . episodes. Do you accept the job ? If so, don't take charge to link the pages, just like the images, I'll do it myself.

--Mr Alex (talk) 01:35, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

PS : Only make articles in the HTF wiki for the episodes that don't have one on Wikipedia.

I want you to know that at school, I'm having my ministry exams, so I'll be busy on studying and preparation for the next two weeks. But I will check my messages and how articles are going once in a while and occasionally contribute. My exams will officially be finished the june 20th and it will be summer break, so I'll have more time to go in Wikipedia. About articles in the HTF wiki, tell Pyro Python (Talk) before starting the work, he's the HTF wiki founder.

--Mr Alex (talk) 17:16, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


That's ok because I go to a vacation too at june 23rd, and I'll be back around july 10th. --Mr Alex (talk) 11:39, 11 June 2008 (UTC)