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Contents 1 Myth 2 Requested move 2.1 Survey 2.2 Discussion 3 Mustafa Kemal's speech 4 'Battle' of Gallipoli 5 Anzac

[edit] Myth

How did this become a 'founding myth'? Gaurav

The Battle of Gallipoli is known simply as Gallipoli in Newfoundland. Newfoundland was the only country in North America to commit troops to the battle as the Royal Newfoundland Regiment fought alongside Australian and New Zealand forces in the Gallipoli Campaign. BmPower, April 27,2005

Country?--Greasysteve13 09:06, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

• Googling on Newfoundland and Gallipoli there are various references. The following link might help: from Newfoundland Regiment: Gallipoli - 1,076 Newfoundlanders landed on the shores of the Dardanelles on September 19, 1915 and left January 1916

Because the Newfoundlanders arrived in September, I think it would be useful to clarify their presence. I am not attempting to belittle their contribution, but for Australians and New Zealanders the battle is remembered for the dawn landing followed by months of entrenchment close to the shore facing the Turks - only the latter experience applies to the Newfoundlanders (the comment in the article was: "The soldiers arrived expecting action and excitement. They were soon disappointed; they spent the first few months digging trenches and keeping long night watches"). Clarification would help against reversion of the Newfoundland reference. It would also be useful to know how Newfoundlanders commemorate their participation. --AYArktos 21:17, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• In Newfoundland, the Gallipoli offensive is commemorated each year on April 25 by the Royal Newfoundland Regiment who hold a march from Government House through the streets of St. John's ending at the National War Memorial. Members of both the Australian and New Zealand armed forces are invited each year to participate (and almost always do) in the march and wreath laying ceremonies. People in Newfoundland realise that Gallipoli was mainly an Australian/New Zealand operation, with a smaller contribution from Royal Newfoundland Regiment (hence the April 25 date of recognition). --User:Jcmurphy 05:17, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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The Newfoundlanders served in the Suvla sector of Gallipoli, which existed from August until December 1915. The only Australians permanently stationed in that sector were the members of the Royal Australian Naval Bridging Train (RANBT), and there were no New Zealander units permanently stationed there. So in fact the Newfoundlanders served mainly with the English, Welsh, Scots and Irish forces which made up the majority of troops at Suvla. Approximately 45 Newfoundlanders died at Gallipoli. There was a Canadian Hospital situated on the Greek island of Lemnos in support of the Gallipoli campaign. Two of its nurses died on that island during the campaign.

See

Gallishaw, J. Trenching at Gallipoli. A Personal Narrative of a Newfoundlander with the Illfated Dardanelles Expedition, New York, A.L. Burt Co., 1916.

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Stacey, A. J. Memoirs of a Blue Puttee: The Newfoundland Regiment in the Great War, St. John's, Newfoundland, DRC Publishers, 2002. Hayaman (talk) 03:20, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mustafa Kemal's speech

He is quoted in the article as saying:

"I do not commend you to fight, I commend you to die."

But wasn't what he said closer to the following:

"I do not command you to fight, I command you to die." -- llywrch 01:31, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

"His famous speech "I do not command you to fight, I command you to die" shows his courageous and determined personality and also shows the main character of a Turkish Warrior. He went on to found the modern Turkish state after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire." Is this part propaganda for Attatürk?

No, it is the truth: Edward J. Erickson, Ordered to die. A history of the Ottoman Army in the First World War. Westport/London: Greenwood Press, 2001, xx11 +265 p. --134.155.99.42 (talk) 02:49, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

The quote isn't a sign of courage - it doesn't take much courage to command/commend others to die - but it is a sign of a determined military commander. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.157.128.180 (talk) 17:42, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 'Battle' of Gallipoli

There was no 'Battle' of Gallipoli. The correct term in English is 'Gallipoli Campaign'. A campaign consists of a series of battles. Some of the battles fought at Gallipoli were 'The Landing', 1st Krithia', '2nd Krithia', 'Sari Bair', 'Scimitar Hill' and 'Hill 60'. Hayaman (talk) 03:29, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Anzac

For a discussion on the historical use of the word 'Anzac' as opposed to the acronym for the army corps 'ANZAC', see [here [1]] Hayaman (talk) 03:33, 4 April 2008 (UTC)