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[edit] Pentagram or Star?

I think the usage of the word "pentagram" in this article is incorrect, and should be changed to "star" or "five pointed star". The Pentagram article indicates that the two are not identical: "the symbol must be composed of five lines. That is, it must include the interior pentagon". Thus, only Ethiopia and Morocco flags actually have "pentagrams", the others are just stars. --JW1805 22:18, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Please refer to the already relatively developed article on Pentagram, which tells more info on the concept and also figures a special section on Flags, which lists several tens of flags. I have used that list as a basis for expansion of this article while merging it with the List of flags featuring one or more stars and the colors red, blue, and white. Therefore I also suggest that as soon as the gallerization of this list of flags is finished and its name is smoothed (should be moved to "gallery of..." to better agree with the content), that list in the Pentagram article should be replaced by a link to the appropriate section in this gallery. Yet, as you can read also in the Pentagram article, the word really originally meant just the five lines and has been somewhat profaned, which may be a reason for the fear of calling the "five pointed star" in flags by this name. Yes, one could use the other name instead, but that is three words long instead of a single word, and also makes associations such as the possible need for other sections on "three pointed stars" or "eight pointed stars" for example, which according to my opinion are not worth receiving such specific categories, whereas the star of five points seems to be the far most commonly used kind of star on flags. Because of that, if it is necessary to list also flags with stars of other number of points, then these should have its one own section, such as "other stars", to be distinguished from the pentagrams/five-pointed stars. Blahma 23:28, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
Sad you did not wait for comments and made the Pentagram->Star change immediately. Please notice that this change modifies the factual criteria for that section, so I have chosen a (temporary?) solution and renamed it to "Five-pointed star", although I know this may not seem very handy. For the point of this separation of five-pointed stars from other ones, see my comment above. I just wanted to get the "five-pointness" back ASAP, so that other people would not corrupt the so far existing list by mixing flags with other number of points into the five-pointed ones. As far as the name is considered, still I think that Pentagram was not a too bad name for the filled or unfilled five-pointed star, because the Pentagram article does not state if the star has to be filled or not, and also the Star (disambiguation) and Star polygon articles simply tell that a "five-pointed star" is equal to "polygon" (also listing a few other variants of that word). If someone can suggest a general word which would group both filled and unfilled five-pointed starts, such a suggestion would be welcome. Blahma 00:17, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] What is the value of this article?

This listing is so basic! I have seen children's flag books which are more comprehensive than this list. I will attempt to use the "Scandinavian Cross" section to illustrate my point. Flags of the world (http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/keyword.html) lists Åland Islands, Aerø, Bornholm, Bothnia, Denmark, the Episcopal Church, Estonia, Faroe Islands, Finland, Greenland, Hirdmarinen, Iceland, Jutland, Norrland, North of England, Norway, Sweden, Swedish speaking Finland, Swedish speakers in Baltic Countries, Vendsyssel, Västgötaland in the index referred to above. In the Off-Centre Crosses (Overview) http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/xx-scand.html we have in excess of 100 flags.... Rhyddfrydol, 23:10, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

I suggest either adding the elements that are missing, or tagging the list as incomplete. No one is more qualified than yourself to address your complaint. Dystopos 23:45, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
It's already tagged as incomplete, so that's taken care of. --Mairi 00:00, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
Some of these look odd. For example Durham has Image:Flag_of_Iceland.svg rather than Image:Durham flag.PNG. The RAF has Image:RAFflag.gif rather than Image:Royal-Air-Force-Ensign.png. And I still cannot find the flag (British colonial) with a picture of salt piles on a beach, where one of them has a door inked in because someone mistook the salt for an igloo. --Henrygb 23:15, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
For Durham, someone must have just linked the wrong image - I've fixed that. Someone who knows where the first RAF image came from ought to fix the page as appropriate. --Mairi 17:53, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Saltire

Any support for moving the Saltire section up with the rest of the cross designs. It is often called a St. Andrew's Cross. Dystopos 23:45, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Done Dystopos 21:41, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Moving on

Let's gallerize List of flags by color and List of flags by number of colors! — Phil Welch 05:23, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Object on Flag vs Object in Emblem on Flag

Is it worth distinguishing between elements of the flag itself and elements of independent seals/arms/standards that are incorporated into flags? Some examples:

  • The human head depicted on the Flag of Corsica vs the human bearers of the arms New York on the Flag of New York or the figures of monks in the standard of Herm which is adapted for the canton of their flag.
  • The circle which is a design element of the Flag of Japan vs the circular devices which decorates the flags of Alderney, Dominica
  • The bear which emblazons the Flag of California vs the bear depicted in the arms of Bermuda and then applied to the flag.
  • The "Christian cross" used as a design element in the Flag of Pernambuco vs the cross on the shield carried by the griffin on the Flag of the Ionian Islands. Dystopos 21:15, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Attribution History

Content for this page was merged from a page which has now been deleted. In order to preserve attribution history (a requirement of GFDL), a copy of the deleted article's page history is cut-and-pasted below. In the future, please refrain from implementing a merger until the deletion discussion is formally closed.

  • 19:52, 17 September 2005 Luigi30 (alphabetized)
  • 22:18, 11 September 2005 Philwelch (update links)
  • 21:07, 11 September 2005 Mateo SA (delete comment about Spain - inaccurate: most flags in Central, S. America do not have those characteristics)
  • 20:20, 11 September 2005 Rhyddfrydol
  • 20:01, 11 September 2005 Henrygb (→Multiple stars - Slovenia)
  • 19:35, 11 September 2005 Blahma (added {{merging}} so that people do not in vain add new flags here, which later have to be transfered by some one else to the merged-into article)
  • 19:24, 11 September 2005 Henrygb (→Multiple stars - Cook Islands)
  • 19:20, 11 September 2005 Henrygb (→Single star - SFRY)
  • 18:15, 11 September 2005 Ajshm m (+NK)
  • 10:20, 11 September 2005 Blahma (-"just" in "should just feature the following" because of incomplete change of criteria by another user)
  • 09:44, 11 September 2005 Revolución
  • 09:43, 11 September 2005 Revolución (→Multiple stars)
  • 09:41, 11 September 2005 Revolución
  • 09:40, 11 September 2005 Revolución (→Multiple stars)
  • (cur) (last) 09:15, 11 September 2005 Alphax m (rv self)
  • (cur) (last) 09:09, 11 September 2005 Alphax m (→Multiple stars - +Flag of Australia)
  • (cur) (last) 21:35, 10 September 2005 Henrygb (if nominated for deletition needs subst:afd)
  • (cur) (last) 15:27, 7 September 2005 Blahma m (grammar)
  • (cur) (last) 13:28, 6 September 2005 JW1805 (derived from US flag)
  • (cur) (last) 04:34, 3 September 2005 Blahma (removed flag of NZ (features the Union Jack), updated the criteria description and added link to a list of flags featuring the Union Jack instead)
  • (cur) (last) 16:43, 2 September 2005 Moriori m (→Multiple stars - Add the NZ flag)
  • (cur) (last) 16:21, 2 September 2005 Mateo SA m (changed text to conform with new name ("the red, white, and blue colors" was ungrammatical); other copyedit)
  • (cur) (last) 16:16, 2 September 2005 Mateo SA m (List of flags featuring a star and the red, blue, and white colors moved to List of flags featuring one or more stars and the colors red, blue, and white)
  • (cur) (last) 08:24, 2 September 2005 Blahma m (correcting a mistake and moving moved the El Salvador flag to the "Multiple stars" section)
  • (cur) (last) 08:19, 2 September 2005 Blahma (+El Salvador flag of 1869)
  • (cur) (last) 08:10, 2 September 2005 Blahma (+List of flags by color, expanded definition of the list, removed Flag of Australia (see the modified redefinition for reasons))
  • (cur) (last) 07:18, 2 September 2005 RealWingus (→Multiple stars)
  • (cur) (last) 07:04, 2 September 2005 Blahma

[edit] Deletion

We have a very strong and long-lasting rule that Wikipedia is not an image gallery. This page appears to violate that rule. Would someone please explain how this gallery qualifies as an encyclopedia article? If not, we will be obligated to nominate it for deletion. Thanks. Rossami (talk) 23:39, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

    • The rule you cite (WP:NOT) has no section entitled "Wikipedia is not an image gallery". The closest topic is elaborated thus:
"WIkipedia articles are not...collections of photographs or media files with no text to go with the articles. If you are interested in presenting a picture, please provide an encyclopedic context, or consider adding it to Wikimedia Commons. If a picture comes from a public domain source on a website, then consider adding it to Wikipedia:Images with missing articles or Wikipedia:Public domain image resources."
It would appear to me that this page does, in fact, provide encyclopedic context for the images displayed. For each of the individual images, further context is supplied and linked, as in a list, from this index. The policy does not apply to articles such as this one, but to otherwise empty articles consisting only of images or other media. Furthermore there are many similarly-structured galleries on Wikipedia. (See Category:Wikipedia image galleries). Dystopos 23:50, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Flags based on UK Naval Ensigns

I am proposing to remove the bulk of the flags based upon British ensigns to a separate gallery: Gallery of flags based on British ensigns. Since this gallery is about design elements and that huge section exhibits only multiple examples of an identical element, I think it is appropriate to remove them. The ensigns themselves would probably remain here (unless someone determines to remove all but National Flags), and a link would be placed in that section saying something like "See main gallery, Flags based on British ensigns"

Notwithstanding any objections here, I will carry this out in the next few days. Dystopos 21:40, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm not quite clear on what you're suggesting. Do you basically want to move most of the 2 sections, Canton - Union Jack and Canton - Union Jack - Historical flags, to a seperate page? (Do flags such as Hawaii or British Indian Ocean Territory count as being based on British ensigns?) If that is what you're proposing, that sounds like an excellent idea. --Mairi 05:43, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
See Gallery of flags based on British ensigns for the result of my move. I don't know if the Hawaiian or British Indian Ocean Territory flags are directly derived from the ensigns or not, so I left them in the other gallery under a catch-all heading. More knowledgeable vexillologists than myself might find some things that need to be reorganized or clarified. Dystopos 02:36, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] A slight reorganisation...

At the moment, you have tricolours on this list, but not tribands. You also don't have Canadian pales or Spanish fesses. I'd like to suggest the following slight reorganisation:

  • tribands and tricolours
    • horizontal tribands
      • horizontal tricolours
      • Spanish fesses
    • vertical tribands
      • vertical tricolours
      • Canadian pales

Grutness...wha? 06:19, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Specifically including tribands is definitely a good idea. Might as well also split out Spanish fesses and Canadian pales; they'd be larger than some of our animal categories. --Mairi 05:16, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps we should also seperate out defaced tribands/tricolours from undefaced ones, as there's quite a few of each, and so far there aren't many defaced ones listed. --Mairi 05:56, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
For some reason I suspect there are more defaced than undefaced (bicolour) tribands, and the other way round for tricolours. Grutness...wha? 01:14, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
Looks like you're right, other than perhaps about horizontal tricolours (which are currently evenly split). Canadia pales and Spanish fesses still need to be added, although I'm worried about that part of page getting too confusing... I also split bicolours be defaced/not. --Mairi 22:21, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed listings

Instead of just deleting or moving images, I would like to comment here first. I don't believe the flags of Greatern Melbourne or the Hong Kong Baptists should be in the section on Scandinavian crosses. The cross of Melbourne is in practice centered. The cross of the Hong Kong Baptists doesn't extend to the edges and would go better in the section on Christian crosses. Of course the Scandinavian cross is also Christian, but with another design. See also the article Scandinavian cross. --Eddi (Talk) 00:40, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

I agree. Remove them...Inge 00:57, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Too big!

I think this article is way too big. I realize this is a gallery or list, but it would be beneficial to at least have an additional page with links to flag subpages. For the first time in my using Mozilla Firefox, I got an error while trying to load that said "Error: a script on this page is causing mozilla to load the page slowly" or something to that effect. FranksValli 08:07, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

I can see two ways to do this. The stricter and less appealing way would be to restrict this page to national flags (since it does reference the list of national flags). The other way is to begin splitting off the largest sections (tricolours, five-pointed stars) into separate galleries. This latter tactic was a little more straightforward with the hundreds of flags based on British ensigns which I already split off, but surely is justified for these other large groupings as well. Dystopos 15:49, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Please keep this article for countries/territories flags

  • Please keep this article for countries/territories flags. --unsigned comment by User:Yaddar
  • I disagree. I know the number of flags gets unwieldy and it might be prudent to create guidelines against hypothetical designs for non-existent groups, for corporate or individual flags, etc. I could also make a strong case against flags whose only "design" is to pick what color field to drop the coat-of-arms or official seal onto. But the main thing is that this page is about flag design, not about national identity. There are any number of references for looking at the design of national flags, but only Wikipedia has the real potential to cross-index a far larger number of designs for cities, principalities, parties, armies and movements in terms of design. Don't chop our roots before we have time to bloom. --Dystopos 22:00, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] page display problems?

Around half of the flags don't show up for me. I tried reloading and clearing my cache but it didn't make a difference. Oddly, firefox doesn't seem aware that there are images that failed to load. I'm not too bothered; I'm just idly browsing. Just thought I'd mention it in case anyone else has similar problems and wonders if it's only them. --211.28.49.160 11:11, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Representative samples?

Would it be a good idea to add to those sections that have been split off into their own page three or four flags from the subpages to give a representative sample of the group? In my opinion, the page would look a bit more 'complete' if this was done. If this is a good idea, I'd be happy to do it. Nigelquinine 20:16, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Royal Standard of France?

Could we have the "White Flag" verified? Looks like a joke to me.

It looks like a joke to me too, but it's talked about in the White flag article and seems genuine. --Lucy 24.12.29.153 17:50, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nazi Flags

i thought the lack of nazi flags had something to do with the lack of existence of a nazi state, but the soviet flags are here so why the nazi flags are not? isn't it prejudice to ommit them?

Due to the large size of this list, many sections have been split into their own pages, with only a few selected examples included here. You'll find the flag of Nazi Germany listed under Gallery of flags with circles and Gallery of flags with crosses. --ScottMainwaring 23:30, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Did this idiot just compare Nazis and Soviets? What a dumb shi...

-G —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.93.201.109 (talk) 22:27, 7 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Chitral.gif

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:SicilyFlag.gif

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Chitral.gif

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You apparently forgot to include the flag of China.

[edit] StrongBadian National Flag

I think said flag should be on this page also, with a link to the Homestar Runner Wiki page on StrongBadia. Anybody agree with me? --70.108.32.136 (talk) 20:26, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Living Thing?

Please, tell me Wikipedia can name "things" without using the word "thing". Would "organic object" do better?--208.102.210.163 (talk) 23:04, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps just Animal or Plant would work as the heading for that section. Or maybe Living Organism? --23230 talk 09:18, 28 May 2008 (UTC)