Talk:Galadriel

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Contents 1 Telepathy 2 Banning 3 Galadriel's ancestry 4 Artanis 5 Past tense 6 Last Ship

[edit] Telepathy

I need someone who has the actual quote in the Biohraphy section, regarding her telepethic powers. It should be in the Silmarillion or another book that describes her... Hackeru

I don't know of any such quote, but it's pretty clearly implied in the Lord of the Rings books and appendices that after the death of Gil-Galad, she's the most personally powerful Elf remaining in Middle-Earth. In the Fellowship of the Ring (Book 2, Chapter 8) she apparently telepathically tempts each member of the Fellowship (the first time that the company meets Galadriel and Celeborn), and later in that chapter she says that she kind of mentally wrestles with Sauron. AnonMoos 02:58, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

You're sure? It was in some of those books... where it said "ever from her childhood she had a wondrous gift of seeing..." or something... ah well, I can look it up then (though I don't have the English ones) Hackeru

I'm only saying what I've seen. But in Unfinished Tales (U.S. paperback edition), page 412 (chapter "The Istari"), there's discussion of a Tolkien note which says very directly that Galadriel was "The greatest of the Eldar surviving in Middle-earth" at the time of "Sauron's final overthrow". By the way, it appears from the Galadriel chapter of Unfinished Tales that Tolkien changed his mind several times about the nature of Galadriel's ban -- or whether there even was such a ban... AnonMoos 19:18, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Banning

Why was Galadriel banned to begin with? Sotakeit 16:21, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

She was one of the leaders of the Noldor who wished to return to Middle-earth... and while most versions indicate that she was not involved in the Kinslaying she was held by the Valar to have helped stir up the movement which led to it. Ergo, she was banned from returning even after the general amnesty granted at the end of the First Age. --CBDunkerson 17:13, 21 March 2006 (UTC) And Galadriel is not Half Elven.

[edit] Galadriel's ancestry

Galadriel's Ancestry in her Article doesn't seem to match the Family Tree in the Wiki Article "Half-Elven." The "Half-Elven" Family Tree seems to have placed Galadriel's birth much farther along than I remember' as far as I can remember, she's one of the oldest Elves in the Simarillion/Lord of the Rings/Hobbit Books (second only to Cirdan or Celebrimbor, I think).

Also, it says in the "Galadriel" Article that she is "only" 8,000 years old. I could've sworn that she was old enough to have seen Feanor himself with her own eyes --and I'm pretty sure that the First, Second, and Third Ages covered WAY more time than that.

Could somebody with extensive Tolkien Knowledge correct both of those two Wiki Articles as needed and IF needed???—Preceding unsigned comment added by Cornholioprime (talk • contribs)

Galadriel was really the daughter of Finarfin, son of Finwe. She was in ME from the beginning of the first age, which is 500 (FA) + 3400 (SA) + 3300 (TA) is roughly 7000. So the article makes sense. In the HE article Galadriel's ancestry is not recorded; only her relation to Elrond and Elros. Bryan 18:46, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes it is well known that Galadriel was half elven, as well known a historical fact indeed as the Vikings original journey to England as economic migrants from Estonia in 2004. --JamesTheNumberless 16:59, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Seriously though, Elves in her parents more virile days suffered from a distinct shortage of humans to shag, a problem stemming directly from their not yet existing. --JamesTheNumberless 16:59, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Indeed she was around with Feanor. As a matter of fact he rather fancied her but I suspect she had some foreshadowing preminition of his fall as she never really liked him much. However, by refusing him a lock of her hair, she was indirectly responsible for the whole Silmarils episode. It was the shifting gold/silver colour of her hair which inspired Feanor to capture the combined light of the two trees, perhaps he would have been satisfied with a lock. The more astute of you will notice that this is what makes her gift to Gimli, so incredibly significant. --JamesTheNumberless 17:08, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

As far as Galadriel's place on the half-elven article's family tree, it is misleading but correct. Due to her placement it makes it look like she is much younger than she is. However, there are no lines leading to her and Celeborn's boxes, only from them to their child who marries into the half-elven line. They are inserted into the half-elven family tree at that point because that's when they were relevant to it, but it is not meant to indicate their age relative to any of the people listed above her.

--DarthVader1219 07:19, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Artanis

I had always though "Artanis" was "Sinatra" spelled backwards. I have never read the Tolkien books. --Gerkinstock 23:32, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Past tense

I suggest that this article should be written in present tense. Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction)#Presentation of fictional material has stated clearly:"By convention, these synopses should be written in the present tense, as this is the way that the story is experienced as it is read or viewed. At any particular point in the story there is a 'past' and a 'future', but whether something is 'past' or 'future' changes as the story progresses. It is simplest to recount the entire description as continuous 'present'." Thus I will change the tense according to the guideline. Galadree-el 10:44, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

However, according to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Middle-earth/Standards#Tenses, "All articles that cover in-universe material must be in past tense(original emphasis), as decided as a consensus here. Though it states in the Guide to writing better articles that generally fictional articles should be written in present tense, Tolkien-related articles are an exception, due to the fact that we are discussing more than just plots of novels, we are outlining the history of a fictional world." Therefore, I am changing the tenses back to past tense.

OK, I get it. But it's problematic for a new editor like me to know how many futher exceptional cases in Tolkien-articles that I don't know. :( Galadree-el 10:09, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Last Ship

There is no indication of the ship she left on being the last ship to leave middle earth. -- 02:29, 1 December 2007 67.163.167.87

As Legolas sailed, probably accompagnied by Gimli, into the west after the death of King Elessar, it wasn't Remko2 (talk) 22:54, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, then the sentence in the article should be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.163.167.87 (talk) 06:15, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, as this ship carried with it the last of the High Elves, the term "Last ship" could be seen as appropriate, it is in fact the end of an era. Mind you Cirdan doesn't join them on board, it's his task/duty to remain in Middle Earth as long as there are any firstborn willing to go into the West. Remko2 (talk) 17:50, 19 December 2007 (UTC)