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[edit] When did the Galactic Civil War end and begin?

This doesn't seem clear, especially with limited information about the post-Revenge of the Sith era. According to the The Essential Chronology the Galactic Civil War started about one year before the Battle of Yavin and ended with the treaty between the Empire and the Alliance. It's not exactly clear as to when the war began, but it clearly says when it concluded. However, The Essential Guide to Planet and Moons stats the war ended with the Battle of Endor. The Galactic Civil War won't be listed on the Dates in Star Wars page until this issue is resolved.

Here are the facts as I see them:

  • The Essential Chronology says the Alliance was founded less than two years before the Battle of Yavin.
  • It is clear there was resistance to the Empire before the Alliance was founded, but we know the Alliance and the Empire were poorly matched (the screen crawl calls them a "small" band of rebels in Return of the Jedi) so this must not have poised any real threat to the Empire.

Therefore, how could the Galactic Civil War have begun eighteen years before the Battle of Yavin, if there was nothing for the Empire to really fight against.

The Galactic Civil War began during the rise of the Empire when Palpatine and Vader initiated the Great Jedi Purge and the first resistance to Imperial rule comes up. It's impossible that the war began with the rise of the Rebel Alliance and it is also impossible that the Galactic Civil War, the Great Jedi Purge, and the first resistance to Imperial rule are separate conflicts. The war lasted for 38 years and in total, the Clone Wars and the Galactic Civil War lasted altogether for 42 years. There was no state of absolute peace in the Galactic Empire before the rise of the Rebel Alliance. --206.255.32.51 23:56, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Please provide a source that states the Galactic Civil War was not between the Galactic Empire and the Rebel Alliance. If it wasn't, as you claim, then who was it between? -- Jon Hart
Before it fought the Rebel Alliance, first of all, the Galactic Empire launched an extermination of the Jedi Knights and the first resistance to Imperial rule comes up. These events triggered the war. --206.255.32.51 23:29, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
But they were not the war in and of themselves. The Galactic Empire was never at war with the Jedi; rather, it hunted them down and murdered them one by one. -- Jon Hart

The Rebel Alliance was not the Empire's only opponent. The Jedi Knights were Palpatine/Darth Sidious's greatest threat and they tried unsuccessfully to arrest or kill him. The Jedi attempt to remove the Supreme Chancellor/Dark Lord of the Sith from office led to this purge that triggered the war. The Wookiees and Senator Bail Organa protected Obi-Wan and Yoda who fought against Palpatine/Darth Sidious (now the Galactic Emperor) and Darth Vader. Obi-Wan injured the Emperor's apprentice who was once Anakin Skywalker, his former apprentice while Yoda was forced to retreat after failing to defeat the Galactic Emperor. The actions of the Jedi against Palpatine were misinterpreted as an "attempt to rebel and overthrow the Galactic Senate and assassinate Palpatine." --206.255.32.51 05:46, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Again, assassination attempts and state-sponsored murders do not constitute a state of war. Before the Clone Wars, there had not been a single galactic war since the Light and Darkness War almost a millennium earlier. If the Stark Hyperspace Conflict and the Battle of Naboo do not count as wars, how can the Jedi Purge possibly do so? Before the formation of the Rebel Alliance, all the Empire had to contend with were the minor skirmishes and acts of terrorism the Old Republic had been dealing with for a thousand years without serious incident. -- Jon Hart
The battle of Naboo was a war, but it was not a galactic war, because it was only on one planet. But I agree, that the great jedi pugre was not wa war. --Qaywsxedc 12:04, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm reverting this article to the state Hiphats had before, because the war is long, and the tyrannical Imperial rule began with the Jedi Purge, thus beginning the War. 68.6.250.105 19:04, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Incidentally, it is the events in the prequel trilogy that set the stage for the long war that will figure in the classic original trilogy...that's what the "Star Wars" saga is centered on. 68.6.250.105 19:09, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Placing into context

The entire Star Wars saga centers around the Galactic Civil War, and the events that led to it. You are correct that many Star Wars reference books do give varying and different information on exactly how long the war lasted, but the way I see it is that if the saga does center around a continuing war, then it is clear that the conflict is made up of a series of related battles. So we can clearly place the Great Jedi Purge among them.

Since it is Anakin Skywalker that indirectly causes the war to happen in the first place, we can clearly put into context the scope of the war, from the time Anakin became Darth Vader to the end of Return Of The Jedi.

So, in my opinion, the war begins 18 BBY, and ends 4 ABY, lasting 22 years.

Hiphats

The war was between the Rebel Alliance and the Galactic Empire. The Rebel Alliance did not exist until about 1 BBY, so therefore there was no war before that. Rebel cells existed as early as 15 BBY, but they were local, unorganized renegades, and the Empire was not at war with them. -- Jon Hart

A purge isn't a battle by the dictionary definition and even if it was, we knew there was battle between the purge and Battle of Yavin, because that was how the Alliance got the schematic for the Death Star and it said their "first victory" implying there had been many failures before that.

When know from the Expanded Universe the Empire and the Alliance continued fighting beyond Endor. What was the war called then, if it wasn't the Galactic Civil War? We would have to have a new war starting, it's too complicated.

I have changed the timeline so the dates of begaining and end of the war are ambigious.

It's my understanding the Rebel Alliance simply didn't exist until a little before Episode IV. Before than, however, there were various Rebels doing stuff, notably the Corellians and Alderaanians. To better fight the Empire, they form an alliance, the Rebel Alliance. Whatever, we may as well accept the fact that lots of Star Wars articles about this period in Galactic history simply can't hope to be complete until Episode 3 comes out.-LtNOWIS 22:49, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)


Why is the Great Jedi purge listed here? It's not a battle, nor was it really part of the Galactic Civil War.-LtNOWIS 05:47, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Episode III is now out, and once and for all the case concerning the Galactic Civil War is settled. As has been mentioned time and again, the war began sometime after the end of the Clone Wars, and the entire War itself is the focal point of the entire "Star Wars" saga. All disputes have been settled with my latest update. If the Galactic Civil War didn't start with the end of the Clone Wars, formation of the Empire, etc., George Lucas wouldn't call his serial "Star Wars", could it? After all, it was Anakin and the Emperor that caused it all. Hiphats 19:20, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

What on Earth are you talking about? Where in Episode III does the Galactic Civil War begin? What does the title "Star Wars" have to do with the Galactic Civil War? WarS. Clone Wars, Galactic Civil War, etc. You didn't see the Galactic Civil War in Epsides I or II, did you? If it's the focal point of the saga, WHERE WAS IT? How did Anakin indirectly start the war? Palpatine took over the Republic, Palpatine ordered the purge of the Jedi, Palpatine crowned himself Emperor and turned the Republic into a dictatorship, Palpatine had the Death Star constructed, Palpatine dissolved the Senate, Palpatine was behind everything. Vader was just his enforcer. Mon Mothma, Bail Organa, and Garm Bel Iblis didn't rebel against Vader, they rebelled against Palpatine and his tyrannical Empire that allowed people like Vader to exist. You're not making any sense. How can there be a galaxy-wide civil war when the galactic government isn't fighting anyone? Please, I beg of you, give me a better reason for stating the Galactic Civil War began at 19 BBY than "well, we couldn't call it 'Star Wars' if there wasn't a war between the Clone Wars and the Galactic Civil War, could we?" The Phantom Menace was called STAR WARS, wasn't it? There was no war in Episode I. There was no war at the beginning of Episode II. There is no war at the end of Episode III. If there was, as you claim, WHO WAS FIGHTING WHOM?

I think the purpose in mentioning the Great Purge and the Clone Wars is for historical perspective, and I think the point of view being adopted here is similar to viewing World War I and World War II as continuation of the same war. The Great Purge was instrumental in spurring Bail Organa to action, and the Clone Wars in many respects can be viewed as a "First Galactic Civil War."

[edit] Infobox commanders

I found it odd that Admiral Piett and Moff Jerjerrod were mentioned, but Grand Admirals Thrawn and Pellaeon were not. Piett and Jerjerrod never held total command of all Imperial forces (for that matter, neither did Vader), but Thrawn and Pellaeon in their times, did. Doesn't that make Thrawn and Pellaeon more important as Imperial commanders than Piett and Jerjerrod? -Kasreyn 06:19, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

I've fixed this by adding Thrawn and Pellaeon. -Kasreyn 13:05, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Treaty of Corellia or Corellian Treaty?

In Dark Force Rising, when Han was asked the name of a treaty between the "Three biggest groups", he replied:

“ Sure. It was called the Corellian Treaty. ”
 
— Han Solo, Dark Force Rising

If so, shouldn't the information saying it was called "The Treaty of Corellia" be rephrased? Comics (UTC)

[edit] Epilogue of the war

I think it would be relevant to at least add a quick note about events that immediately followed the war. There's a minor note about the reformation to the New Republic and its duress.

I think it would be prudent to move that note into another section something like 'After the war' and note the formation of the "Imperial Remnant", the rebuilding of the Jedi order/council, etc.

Just small notes, there's already more detailed wikis fully devoted to the topics, but a few notes at least would be of likely interest to a casual reader. TotalTommyTerror 19:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

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