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[edit] The Trial

Why didn't the general pardon Roslin granted to everyone apply to Baltar? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jewpiterjones (talk • contribs) 03:00, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gaius Baltar in Caprica Six's head?

can someone put up a section on this? although it seems at this point we don't know much about him.

[edit] Gaius Baltar -> Baltar

This should be moved to "Baltar." Gaius Baltar is the name of only the remake character, while this article is about both of them.Kuralyov 02:14, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Agree and moved, without prejudice against any real things named just "Baltar" that may need to go here in the future. -- Cyrius|✎ 04:37, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I'm also leaving links for the particular characters pointing at the redirects intentionally. That way if the article gets split into one for each character, a bunch of other articles won't need to be changed. -- Cyrius|✎ 04:39, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I split it. I feel there's enough merit for it.--Kross 05:58, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
Keep them seprate. They're such different characters it would be impossible to merge the two.--Phoenix Hacker 08:47, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Moved to "Dr. Gaius Baltar".

[edit] Human or Cylon?

The race of Gaius is not determined. In the latter episodes of season 2 Gauis is shown to be in his house as the nuclear bomb rips through it. One logical conclusion is that he is not actually human any more and has been cloned to a cylon.

Pure speculation. Sure, he's acting quite at odds with the best interests of humanity, and the writers are leaving it very open to speculation, but there's been nothing concrete put forth. As such, I'm going to remove the "Gauis[sic] a cylon?" paragraph. Remember, Wikipedia's policy is "no original research." -- Wwagner 21:12, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
If you can find evidence that a large contingent of fans believe it to be true, it's probably worth putting up under "fan reaction" or some such, but if it's just something you came up with, it doesn't belong there. Stilgar135 22:15, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Whether or not it is true is not the issue. The question of whether or not it is true is a central part of the character. It is not merely fan speculation, it is the character's speculation, and that is what makes it important. But this article is so poorly written that's not much of an issue. I agree a section summarizing evidence for and against his being a Cylon would be appropriate, should the rest of the article be re-written and broken into sections ;) --Vstarre 16:45, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I think it's clear that Baltar is a Cylon, as the new Number Six on Caprica has visions of him in the same manner he has of her, and his ability to reconfigure his surroundings in his mind, just like Number Six, is further proof of that. This article needs serious polishing regardless though.Xiner 19:00, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm changing Baltar's race based on the recent episodes. Xiner 03:13, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I've removed it. At this point there are questions about it, even within the context of the show, so it should not be assumed to be either. CovenantD 03:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. Baltar's race is unknown to Baltar. That's the point. There is no real evidence that he's a Cylon.--- [vstarre] 01:00, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
In the slideshow on scifi.com about "taking a break" you can see Baltar waking up in a resurrection tub, so unless we have to expect any unforessen twists he should be cylon... --217.224.134.130 13:56, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
There are definitely trailers of Baltar in a resurrection tub on SciFi tonight.Pontificator 05:40, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Concur. Just watched the trailer for next week's episode. He's a cylon. Unless there is some strange plot twist to psych us out. :)70.134.84.54 08:13, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
The race of Baltar should remain undetermined at this point.Pontificator 04:04, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm assuming, now that the episode has aired, and the "download" scene was shown to be a dream sequence, that previews won't be relied upon for solid information anymore... --Fru1tbat 04:31, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Another view worth adding is that Baltar is the Jesus of the Battlestar world. He is a follower of one true God in a world of polytheists,he has been told he is the "chosen one" by the prophetic "head six", and he now has a cult following as a healer. If Gaius Baltar is the "God" of this universe that, not a cylon heritage, would explain his surviving the blast his visions and his ability to see into the future.

[edit] Gaius Baltar (Number Six)/Gaius Baltar (Caprica Six)

see Number Six (Gaius Baltar) and Talk:Number Six (Battlestar Galactica)

[edit] sucession boxes

Preceded by
unknown		 Representative for Caprica
(season 1-4)		 Succeeded by
Lee Adama
Preceded by
unknown		 Vice-President of the Twelve Colonies of Kobol
(seasons 1-2.5)		 Succeeded by
Tom Zarek
Preceded by
Laura Roslin		 President of the Twelve Colonies of Kobol
(seasons 2.5-3)		 Succeeded by
Tom Zarek

[edit] Affiliation changed from Twelve Colonies

I have changed the "affiliation" section of the infobox from "Twelve Colonies" to "Gaius Baltar", as Dr Baltar is clearly not a true servant of either the Colonies, or anyone else. I would appreciate comments and suggestions as to what might be a more accurate way to demonstrate the self-serving nature of the character. - Seanlavelle 00:22, 6 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] List of Treacheries an Oversimplification

I think that the issues listed under treacheries may not be so black and white. I do not believe that his manifesto is treacherous in nature. Perhaps they is a better way of grouping some of his notation foibles together? Anyways, the article is shaping up well

Best Regards,

70.55.238.80 19:55, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Baltar is a friend to the human race, not treacherous! This article is biased due to the section on "Treacheries", and should be removed. Kind regards, 137.186.185.142 22:52, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I concur: because of the moral ambiguity of some of the behavior, such as the propaganda, calling the section "Treacheries" poisons the well. This section should be called "Questionable Motives," or something that's not prejudgmental. As an example, we could eliminate the so-called propaganda and it would still be the case that the working conditions for the lower classes are wretched, deserving some type of activism. Would it be inherently 'treacherous' for a labor union to form over civil liberties violations? I think not. Even if his motives for writing the pamphlet were self-interested, the content may nevertheless be truthful. Pfhyde 12:16, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely agree that treachery is an overreach here. Some are, some arent.

The Baltar character is no hero, but its not so morally black and white, much like BSG itself. The section is a gross simplification. The Baltar character sees to be a means to examine the complex make up of humans, marking a simple black/white good/evil right/wrong moralising which makes up alot of American TV shows. As such, this section is pointless and should be dropped or replaced with a more nuanced look at the Baltar character and his actions.62.56.50.202 17:18, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Whatever you think of the other supposed treacheries, simply writing a manifesto can NEVER EVER be treachery. To put down your ideas on paper and distribute it to others is a fundamental human right, and it should never be denied to anyone.



I took the freedom to edit the article and change that to "questionable actions", adding in some cases the points Baltar could have argued to defend himself, and insisting more on his ambiguous/manipulated nature.

user:byelf2007 - WHY BALTAR's AFFILIATION SHOULD NOT BE 'GAIUS BALTAR:'

1 - Baltar tried to get the Cylons to leave New Caprica. If he had his way, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN KILLED BY HIS OWN PEOPLE. He was willing to sacrifice himself to save the human race.

2 - Baltar was ready to die for the sake of a child in He That Believeth in Me.

3 - If people on the show doing questionable things means they are only loyal to themselves, then you can apply that to a lot of the characters on the show (see 'conduct as president' section of Laura Roslin article).

4 - Two users want affiliation "see article." Only non-users have wanted affiliation to be "Gaius Baltar."

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Byelf2007 (talk • contribs) 02:45, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] BSG Characters with imaginary friends


[edit] Gaius Baltar: the Chosen One

. Discuss what Head-6 says about knowing God's plan for Baltar (Season 2, RS Part II), and what the Cylon Ship's Hybrid said about the Chosen One in a Season 3 episode in which Baltar is with "D'Anna". During the episode, she mistakes herself for being the Chosen One in finding the identities of the Unknown Five models). This is later confirmed by Head-6 who tells Baltar that D'Anna wasn't the Chosen One, and that he was.

Also discuss from Season One, "Hand of God", where Head-6 helps Baltar realize his importance as the Instrument of God, then at the end of the episode, during the vision sequence, is seen leaning against a railing in his bathrobe (almost like Jesus on the Cross).

Disscuss during S3 when Baltar is visited in his cell by a woman who asks him to bless her child and he doesn't take it seriously. Head-6 tells Baltar that some people see him for what he truly is...which is what?

At the end of S3, Baltar is escorted away by civilian women, who throw a shawl over his head in an effort to help disguise and hide him. Almost gives him a Jesus-like quality.