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[edit] Invented?

How is it that the game was invented by 2 guys in 1949, yet the rules were already set by 1887? I don't see any mention of 1949 in the history section of the GAA website. --Booch 06:00, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stamp?

Why are we using a stamp as a lead pic? Surely it would be a simple task for someone in Ireland to take a photo of ppl playing gaelic football Borisblue 07:01, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

I looked around (Well...I googled) to find a picture that wasn't on a stamp but it was actually fairly difficult (and I don't really understand copyright issues). Next match I'm at I'll take a picture if I can.
the stamp was put there because it was a copyright free method of getting a picture, if someone can take a picture themselves at a match and assign an appropriate license then that works, do not however go on the web and grab somebody elses (professional or not) picture and post it as this is a copyright infringement. Kglavin 18:38, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] General Description

"Some plays include a ducking and weaving movement where the player in posession will run towards an opponent, and at the last minute change direction after wrong-footing the defender. Passing takes place to players on the run, so rather than passing directly to a team-mate, players will pass the ball into mid-air just ahead of the receiving player so that he can run into it."

Erm... that would be the same for Soccer, American Football, Handball... looks like fluff to me...?!? DevSolar 09:13, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree here. The general description should focus on what makes this game unique when compared to others. This paragraph could describe almost any ball sport. Chachilongbow 13:06, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Thirded. Offending sentences removed Thrapper 15:45, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mayobridge

Surely we dont need a direct link to mayobridge club web site? If that stays why not all other club sites?

[edit] Football Needs You

Hello,

You don't know me but i'm a user formely known as User:Jebus Christ. I was blocked some time ago because wikipedia didn't like my username. I've only just now created my current username.

Some of you may be aware that the Football article has been overtaken by a fraternity of Australian Rules supporters. This fraternity includes at least one administrator that i'm aware of. His name is Snottygobble.

Regardless of what you may think of the current vote going on in that article, it is blatantly obvious that the article has a major overrepresentation from Australian Rules fans. The Football article needs more input from people with interests such as yours. This should even out the content a little resulting in an article written from a global perspective (as opposed to the southern australian perspective).

With regards to the current vote, whether you agree or not with the proposal, there are definitely some very twisted tactics being used. Currently, almost every person who has voted differently to that the AFL fraternity has been accused of being a sockpuppet of the person who initiated the vote. Through pure frustration, several users made the same accusation of some of the AFL fraternity. Immediately those people were blocked for 'making sockpuppet accursations in bad faith' by administrator and Aussie Rules fraternity member User:Snottygobble.

I'm not here asking anyone to partake in the vote. What i'd like to see though is more input from people outside of the Assie Rules Fraternity.

Thanks in advance,

Jimididit 13:45, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Where are the official rules?

hi my name is Pablo and i'm from Bolivia, i didn't know anything about Gaelic Football but seems like a very exciting game. I love almost all the sports, and i play the most i can: football, rugby, baseball etc. And i love to try new sports (like tapeball cricket right now) Is there any set of rules?...i'cant find the anywhere, and one question to the irish guy: u play this game in a pick-up fashion? or just in formal games?...tell me plz

Well the best place to go for information on the ages that you are looking for is the website of the Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) at http://www.gaa.ie, it's basically like FIFA for Gaelic sports. Their you can find out the basic rules and regulations for Gaelic Football, as well as Hurling and Gaelic Handball. They are also coded the rules which you can find here (this is a PDF document). Their is also a separate Gaelic football for women, Ladies' Gaelic football, but the difference are relatively minor. As for pick up games, i guess you could i never have, but not in the same way that you would with football. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 07:41, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
The Rule Book, of any sport should not be classed as copio and should be able to be used on websites like this. If not then anything like teaching them to youngsters should violate copyright. Kaeso Dio (talk) 11:48, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Volleyball connection?

The ball used looks just like the type used for Volleyball. Is there any connection? Ubermonkey 20:49, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

No cpnnection at all a gaelic football is extremely heavy and hard when compared with a volleyball (Gnevin 20:56, 7 June 2006 (UTC))
User:Grant65 and a guy callled B.W.O'Dwyer would tell you there is a connection, but it is unnofficial. Apparently some Irish gold miners decided to play a game of Gaelic Football on an indoor tennis court in Springfield, Massachussets. It can't be disproved, so it must have happened. --Rulesfan 02:14, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
"It can't be disproved, so it must have happened." Em. Are you serious? Conor 20:15, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

If there was any more to it than the appearance of the balls, I might be a believer ;-) Grant65 | Talk 08:13, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

You have a sense of humour, I'll give you that. --Rulesfan 00:32, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] steps

It can be carried in the hand for a distance of four steps and can be kicked or "hand-passed", a striking motion with the hand or fist. After every four steps the ball must be either bounced or "solo-ed",

taken from [[1]] (Gnevin 19:53, 8 June 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Punching

You Can't punch it, that is a dreadful description

[edit] Left or Right

Am I seeing things? Are the lefts and rights swapped in the Team of the Millenium? Frelke 07:01, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean ? (Gnevin 17:24, 20 August 2006 (UTC))
I think he means that usually the left-backs and left-forwards are on the left side of the field as seen when facing the goal that they're attacking - ie when the goalie looks upfield, the left-backs are on the left and the right-backs on the right. For example see the diagram at http://www.gaelicfootball.com.au/mens.htm - in this wiki page they're opposite. Thrapper 20:56, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Fixed (Gnevin 21:53, 23 August 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Overseas competitions, description of images of plays

There's alot of championships and things held overseas, theres one on the main site of the GAA website, here. If anyone knows anything about them, I think they should be included. All I know is that they're there. - User:Dalta I've never seen Gaelic Football and would be grateful if someone were to include on this page a brief description of what play looks like, common plays, something like that-- the Aussie rules entry has something like this.-- Tucker

Seems like the page has a pretty good description of play to me. --216.52.22.131 09:21, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
I think I agree with Tucker. Explaining the details of the rules is not the same as actually describing what a game looks like or why it appeals to fans. I've just added a paragraph entitled 'Appearance.' It may be better placed farther down the page after the scoring system has been explained though.

[edit] Gaelic football outside Ireland

A good addition to this page would be a description (preferably with links) to gaelic football outside Ireland. I know there are plenty of people who play in America, and I'd be surprised if England (and probably Australia) had at least a few teams playing locally.

LordHedgie 02:05, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

A good idea. There are a few in Australia, but the code really struggles here. Most of the teams are based in the south eastern cities of Sydney, Melbourne and Adelaide. The association is very disorganised and only recently appointed a full time development officer. There has been a lot of growth in the ladies game though. Recently they have trialled a summer competition so as not to compete directly with Aussie Rules. International Rules is becoming more common to give the Irish guys more of an opportunity to play against opposition, but I have noticed a trend of a lot of the Irish tourists playing both codes, or even switching completely to Aussie Rules, and many of the players are actually Australians who aren't tough enough to play Aussie Rules. --Rulesfan 05:56, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not Urban Legend but true story

The referance to the story about a referee being locked in a boot be disillusioned players after a game is not a urban legend but a true story.I am not sure about the year it happened but the team and place involved was Rathnew, Co. Wicklow. The Referee had sent off a player of the Rathnew team. After the game the Referee was locked in his own boot and subsequently driven up the Wicklow mountains. I am not sure how he managed to get out of the boot or wether the player were disaplined but I'm sure someone else knows.

User:ruthiemac 13:23, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Provide a reference and it will be added as fact (Gnevin 13:22, 24 September 2006 (UTC))

Does the Wicklow Today Archive news count as a reliable reference: http://www.wicklowtoday.com/news/newspro/archives/arc4-2005.htm EssQue 08:28, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

His name was Jonny Price and he died a couple of years ago. Reference to him can also be seen at http://www.hoganstand.com/Wicklow/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=48827 EssQue

[edit] Aussie Rules connection in the History section

Does it need to be here ? It kind of dominates an article about what is essentially an Irish game. It seems that it exists simply so that people who wish to make uninformed assumptions about the origins of both codes and doesn't add much if anything to the article. I have created this article Comparison of Australian rules football and Gaelic football where this sort of info should go instead. It is similar to articles created by other in terms of comparisons between the rugby codes and North American football codes.--Rulesfan 05:59, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

The relationship between the two is clearly quite close, and as it says in the article, there is even a suggestion that Gaelic originated from Aussie rules, not the other way round, courtesy of Archbishop Croke's sojourn down under in the 1870s. By all means link Comparison of Australian rules football and Gaelic football in this article, but I don't think there's anything wrong with discussing the connections between the two in this article. Grant65 | Talk 07:09, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Sure, maybe to an Australian or an Irish person, but what about for someone who doesn't know anything of Australian Rules ? It would be the equivalent of having a huge chunk of Canadian Football crap in the middle of a gridiron article. I am an Australian Rules fan first, but I also appreciate the quality of wikipedia as a resource rather than a propaganda machine. --Rulesfan 23:33, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Propaganda?! For what? It's history. Australian rules football makes the same point about Gaelic. And funny you should mention it, but American football grew out of Canadian football (and that out of rugby). Those articles make the same point. They are all related --- see Football. Grant65 | Talk 23:56, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Maybe once upon a time, but thankfully it has mostly been edited out. Look at the Aussie Rules page. Only 2 lines mention Gaelic Football: While it is clear even to casual observers that Australian rules football is similar to Gaelic football, the exact relationship is unclear, as the Irish game was not codified by the Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) until 1887.. This seems highly imbalanced to the 6 paragraphs of Aussie Rules which exist in a far smaller Gaelic Football article. Fair is fair my friend. I just don't think it adds anything to the subject matter of the article, which is Gaelic Football, not some stub of Australian rules football. --Rulesfan 02:09, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Now that you mention it, Australian rules football doesn't really do the subject justice. I will set about rectifying that. That article is a much more heavily and frequently edited article than this one. The reference has been "edited out" of Australian rules football because there is now a separate History of Australian rules football, which has a whole section entitled "Similarities to Gaelic football". When this article gets so big that there is a separate History of Gaelic football article, no doubt the same will happen.

By the way, I don't understand these references to "propaganda" and "fair is fair". The problem as I see it, is that this article is lacking in the history section (or a separate history article), not that there's too much on Aussie rules. It's not as though space in Wikipedia articles is a precious commodity. Grant65 | Talk 16:02, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Well perhaps someone like yourself might choose to learn enough about the game to help write a less biased article. --Rulesfan 00:18, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Bias? Propaganda? Anyone would think we were comparing Hitler and Stalin rather than anything as innocuous as two football codes. Everything that I have contributed to the article is verifiable by references.
I have been to libraries and sought out histories of Gaelic football and the GAA. Unfortunately they are few and far between in my neck of the woods Why don't you give it a go if you're so concerned?
I will also add a section stub template to the history section.Grant65 | Talk 01:32, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I am not insinuating anything I am just looking from the point of view of the reader who wants to find out about the sport of Gaelic football. Like me. I never expected to find as much information on an unrelated code than the subject of the article.
That's what I'm currently aiming at doing. But a good article is a short article IMO. Australian Rules suffers from a long and history of internal factions and schisms which have not affected the GAA to my knowledge.
I have re-edited to focus on the comparison article. I think all speculation should be removed from this article. It is one thing to quote O'Dwyer, but the fact he is a historian itself does not make his speculations valid in the perspective of this article. Nor does speculation about what Thomas Croke may or may not have seen during his tenure in New Zealand. --Rulesfan 04:22, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Sneak attack ??? Give me a break. You're the one who keeps posting crackpot theories in an encyclopedia.--Rulesfan 02:10, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Grant, you continue to write as though the audience reading this article are familiar with the sport of Australian rules. How are people supposed to know that Australian rules originated in Victoria and put two and two together. Your edits are about as useful as tits on a bull. By the way, adding the words "Circumstantial evidence" helps your claim of a relationship because if you have studied law or philosophy you'd note that CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE = THEORY --Rulesfan 23:27, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Which part of the sentence "Australian rules was devised in Melbourne, in the Colony of Victoria, from 1858" do you think that people won't understand? Where have I ever said that the idea that caid contributed to the development of Australian rules was more than a theory? You aren't making any sense. Grant65 | Talk 07:32, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Well you persist on claiming a "relationship" rather than a theory when there is no evidence of a relationship. In any case, such a relationship, theory, or whatever, by the way that it is written should belong in the caid (sport) article and not this one and a small mention to the comparison article is sufficient in the context of the Gaelic Football article. Anyone who wants to dig deeper can find the information they want there. --Rulesfan 00:29, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Since the section in question is about is the caid-Australian rules-Gaelic connection, I have removed the following passage: "Australian rules was devised in Melbourne, in the Colony of Victoria, from 1858. It is generally agreed that the founder of Australian rules, Tom Wills, was strongly influenced by rugby football. However, there were many Irish in Victoria as a result of the Victorian goldrushes of the 1850s". I hope that is acceptable to you(?) and others. Grant65 | Talk 12:42, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
And to answer your previous comment, while there may not have been a relationship in 1858 or even 1887, there clearly has been one since 1967 and all angles of that (including theories about caid having an influence on Aussie rules in the 1850s) should be represented. The article does not say that there are hard and fast links, merely that there may have been. Grant65 | Talk 12:46, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
I assume the clear "relationship" since 1967 of which you speak is referring to the game of International Rules. Can you call this a relationship ? It has been somewhat tenuous if best, and no better way to highlight the obvious differences by way of continuing controversy. The existence of a hybrid does not per se confirm a relationship. If so, there would be a relationship between Aussie Rules and American Football, because of existence of the game of Austus and a relationship between Aussie Rules and Rugby League, because of the existencs of the game of Universal football. As for Players who have converted from one football code to another supporting a relationship, this is also a pretty weak argument, as more Aussie Rules players have converted to American football than Gaelic players to Aussie Rules. --Rulesfan 23:02, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

A relationship of 39 years standing is tenuous? Come off it. By way of comparison, there is no formal interaction between American football and Canadian football, which are more closely related. I haven't seen too many games of Austus or Universal footy recently. If Australian rules were offering the kind of salaries to rookies which are available to geriatric ex-AFL kickers in the NFL, then the trickle of Gaelic players might be a flood. Grant65 | Talk 01:32, 10 November 2006 (UTC) I'm starting to get the impression that you would like to sever the relationship in real life as well as on Wikipedia(?) Grant65 | Talk 01:36, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I think that 111 years is tenuous, which is the difference in years between 1858 and 1957. That is a hell of a long time for zero interaction between two countries and codes which are supposedly so closely related. As for converts, Grant, I know of plenty who've tried. Not all are successful however. Jim Stynes brother Brian Stynes on case in point one case in point but there are a huge number more. One would think going from being paid nothing to being paid full-time would be just as much of an incentive to move overseas as those Aussies moving to the US in recent years. If the codes were so similar then we would have seen as many go from Gaelic to Aussie Rules as havef rom rugby league to rugby union and vice versa. And how many Aussie Rules players do you find successfully converting to Gaelic ? Zippo. --Rulesfan 04:59, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Don't forget Gaelic is amateur. There would probably be a lot of converts if it was professional and I believe Gaelic teams in Australia have quite a few converts from amateur Aussie rules. As for the other direction, the Irish economy is now booming and AFL rookies earn a pittance, clearly not enough to persuade Gaelic players to leave career, family, etc and travel to other side of the world, on the off chance they can adjust to the oval ball. Whereas the AFL converts to NFL tend to be at the end of their careers -- Darren Bennett (footballer) played his last NFL game at the age of 40! Grant65 | Talk 07:04, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

There are some rather embarrassed Irish historians in Australia at the moment, after a really landmark find by football historians. It is becoming harder and harder to knock the Aussie origins of footy http://www.bananasinpyjamas.com/news/stories/2007/09/21/2039577.htm --Spewmaster 01:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

All that says i football was played in Australia in the 1850's and does nothing to prove or disprove a gaelic link , sure the link with Indigenous people and their games such as Marn Grook was already accepted (Gnevin 07:35, 26 September 2007 (UTC))
Yes, and they could be playing a soccer-type game in that picture, interesting as it is.
By the way, Wilfrid R. Prest & Kerrie Round's The Wakefield Companion to South Australian History (2001) says (p. 58): "The first recorded football match in South Australia was played in 1843 by Irish colonists celebrating St Patrick's Day..."[2] This proves nothing of course, as we don't know what kind of football it was. But since rugby was not codified until 1845 and soccer not until 1863, we can be sure it wasn't either of them. A traditional game like caid is the only real candidate. Grant | Talk 11:37, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures of a Pitch

Both Hurling and Gaelic football need this. Most other sports have it. --Rulesfan 23:53, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I have added a picture of a pitch I created myself based on pictures of pitches. Hope it is accurate ! please let me know. --Rulesfan 07:27, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] First Rules of Gaelic Football

Says they were published in United Journal in 1887, but what were they in a nutshell ? How similar was that game to what is played today. --Rulesfan 00:31, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kicking photos ?

It is football afterall, maybe some photos of the kicking action would help improve the article. --Rulesfan 01:32, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Instructional videos on DVD

Does anybody know of a North American source for instructional videos (such as DVD or VHS) appropriate for teaching classes how to play Gaelic Football?

If not an instructional video, have there ever been any dramatic adaptations of Gaelic Football from literature (or real life historic matches) to cinematic form? 198.177.27.11 06:30, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I'd suggest emailing either the GAA or some one at North American GAA (Gnevin 13:20, 24 February 2007 (UTC))

[edit] History Section

Resemblance to caid. I realise that they are linked but it seems to be copy and pasted with minor changes. Kaeso Dio (talk) 11:55, 23 November 2007 (UTC)