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[edit] hair

"The girls could keep a small tail." what does this mean? Ronabop 11:12, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Guys usually shaved their entire head, girls kept extremely short hair and a small bobtail. However with the "revival" of 2002 the shaved heads were quite absent Jor 18:40, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Garbled Gabber

The first sentence is the first impression. It should introduce the subject clearly and succinctly. I've changed the first paragraph to improve the flow of reading, but ended up removing some phonetic details in the process. I removed "in the Dutch dialect from the city The Hague = Den Haag)" and "(the "g" is pronounced as SAMPA /x/) ." SWAdair | Talk 04:27, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Gabber/Gabba?

I'm a bit confused about this article (Gabba) and the Gabber article. If "Gabber" is the proper name for the music genre, shouldn't this actually be a redirect? Plus, it seems that in keeping with the way disambiguation pages work on Wikipedia, the article currently at Gabber should be turned into a disambiguation page and new pages created at, say, "Gabber (music genre)" and "Gabber (computer program)", or so. Would this be correct? --Ciaran H 18:17, Jan 7, 2005 (UTC)

I moved Gabba to Gabber music, and redirected Gabber (music) there as well. Gabber (music) had an intro paragraph nearly identical to Gabba, and no other content, other than some vanity links. The parentheses were removed to stay consistent with other music genre article titles, such as techno music, house music, trance music, etc. Conveniently, since Gabba was moved to a completely new title, the page history was kept as well. --Poiuyt Man (talk) 06:01, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

'Gabba' is a incorrect spelling of the term used mainly in the UK due to people hearing the word rather than seeing it written down... 80.177.65.182 15:42, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Examples of Artists

Could someone add a section of more popular Gabber artists and those that helped define the genre?

How about we take a poll of popular artists to include? I always notice when you try to do a list of typical or famous or popular artists of a genre on Wiki, people begin to add in a lot of their personal favorites and the list balloons. Also, would you do it by location, like New York, Rotterdam, or France? I vote for DJ Paul Elstak, Rotterdam Terror Corps, Neophyte, 3 Steps Ahead, Ron D Core, DJ Buzz Fuzz, Lenny Dee. -->Chemical Halo 22:20, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
You forgot Scott Brown. 203.206.51.91 11:14, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
i vote for DJ Outblast, Angerfist, Buzz Fuzz, The Masochist (The Prophet) (from nu school era), Darkraver, Gizmo, The Prophet, Buzz Fuzz for the oldschool... - Sept 30, 2005
Angerfist is an absolute must. // Gargaj 01:58, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
Patrick van Kerckhoven (aka DJ Ruffneck).80.177.65.182 15:44, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Ophidian, Nosferatu, Endymion —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.198.83.226 (talk) 19:52, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Marc Acardipane

There should be a note about Marc Acardipane in the Notable Artists directory. Not just because he is one of the most famous producers, but also because it was he who made the first gabber track (under a nickname "Mescaline United").

The first gabber track is Mescaliniun United - We Have Arrived. this is an indisputable fact. Just because no-one referred to it as gabber for 2 years (from 1990 when it was made til 1992 when the term 'gabber' was used) makes no difference. It was before 'poing', it was before 'Amsterdam Waar Lech Dat Daan', it was before all of them.

[edit] Requested move

A move is requested: Gabber music → Gabber. This implies that the Gabber (disambiguation) article will be put above the main Gabber article (on the music style). Gabber music and Gabber (music) will then redirect to Gabber.

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[edit] Gabber should point to Gabber music (and Gabber music renamed to Gabber)

  • Strong support Gabber is referred to without the addition of "music" and is the main reference for Gabber. The software Gabber is discontinued.Brz7 15:50, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Support - We only want the real hardcore people in the place. // Gargaj 16:58, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Support - Though I object to the above comment, this is an encyclopedia, not a Masters of Hardcore guestbook. Grow up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.177.65.182 (talk • contribs)
    • I suggest to 1. at least sign your comments if you rant anonymously and 2. get a sense of humour. // Gargaj 17:41, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
    • So thats 2 pointless comments from you so far, nice going. 80.177.65.182 11:45, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Support. Take note that not every anonymous editor is a total WP:DICK. 64.12.117.6 19:15, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Im not anonymous laughing boy, just forgot to sign the dang thing. Now stop waving it about and put it back in your virtual pants. No-one's impressed 172.213.198.84 00:12, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gabber should point to Gabber music

[edit] Gabber should point to disambiguation article

[edit] Gabber should point to the software

[edit] Split list of artists

I guess the list is getting big enough to be split into a separate article, where various categorizations (dj's, producers, groups, etc.) would be applicable? // Gargaj 17:30, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Origins of Gabber

This article is incomplete. There is nothing in it about te real origins of Gabber music. Gabber started more or less in Amsterdam. That's why the word gabber is used, it's amsterdamslang for friend. Music with a strong beat and a distinctive bassdrum from artists like D-Shake was already called Gabber in the mid-80s. The musicstyle later evolved in the faster and louder Rotterdam-style.

amsterdamslang? I think youll find its just dutch slang with origins in Yiddish. D-Shake? mids 80s? You what? 'Techno Trance' and 'Yaaah' came out in 89-90 and while gabber can be traced back to techno/hardcore records such as this and maybe even New Beat the music known as gabber came much much later. This is about the music, not the use of the word. And if gabber is an amsterdam thing, why is one of the first (if not the first) gabber labels *Rotterdam* Records? Either youd badly misinformed or just plain making this up. What you claim goes against everything ive heard, read and seen over the last 10-15 years. As I understand the origins of gabber music and culture evolved due to the nature of the clubs in amsterdam which preferred 'mellow' (i.e. house and techno) so dont tell me the movement *started* in Amsterdam because that makes no sense at all. 80.177.65.182 11:42, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I didn't make it up. The story was told in a VPRO-documentary about house and gabber which was aired in 1990 (or somewhere around that time.) I have a copy at home if you want to see it.

I say again 'What you claim goes against everything ive heard, read and seen over the last 10-15 years'. Just because its in a documentary doesnt make it automatically correct. 62.25.106.209 03:43, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sound file samples

It's be really nice to have some sample sound files that demonstrate the musical effects (square waves, BPM speeds, etc) described in this article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 131.107.0.73 (talk) 15:42, 4 January 2007 (UTC).


[edit] Pronounciation

Anybody want to get their IPA on and replace the nonstandard attempt at phoneticization with something people can actually use? "Gahbuhr, but the g is like the Scottish ch in the word loch" is sooo unprofessional. If I had to guess, I'd say it is close to /xabəʁ/, but I don't speak Dutch.

The pronunciation of the word is an interesting connundrum, since in the region where it originates. I'm not sure which IPA assignment is made to the diffences in pronunciation, because it's unclear in most IPA examples whether they're using 'Soft g' (common to the south of the Netherlands and Belgium) or 'hard g' pronunciation (common to northern Netherlands, aka the 'Holland' region). It's either /x/ or /ɣ/... I think. anyway, the pronunciation ammounts to: /xɑbər/, approximately. Though in the regional dialect where the term originates, I believe it's /ɣɑbə/ or even /ɣɑbɑ/. 62.251.127.12 (talk) 07:18, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Rave

I'm not really familiar with this genre, but should this page have a {{WikiProject Rave}} banner on it? __meco 16:13, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of labels...

...as gotten out of hand. Almost none of them have articles or are sourced. The redlinks need to go, either by removing the tag or deleting the label. My feeling is go with deletion unless sources can be provided. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 20:43, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Note on name

I don't know if someone has pointed this out yet, but in dutch the term "Gabber" always refers to the culture associated with the music, rather than the music itself, which is invariably referred to as "hardcore". 216.27.182.48 (talk) 05:50, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Also what is that about the "krassava" name. I live in a Russian-speaking country and never heard this term being applied to Gabber music. This could be strictly regional. Most people call it just Gabber or Gabba. 77.109.29.159 (talk) 20:09, 1 June 2008 (UTC)