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[edit] Announcement

What was it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.148.4.138 (talk) 15:30, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Response to Criticism

I added this section because we needed more balance in the discussion. I like Tech and Video Game programming too, but they needed to change to stay alive. It's business. Just like how I poop in my pants so I can change my underwear. It's common sense.


If there is a response to criticism, there needs to be verifiable evidence that changes were needed. Several former TechTV staffers (how admittedly might be biased) have said that TechTV's ratings were much stronger than G4s and were continually going up when G4 bought them. Martin Sargeant has said that Unscrewed was canceled simply because the one of the higher-ups at G4 just didn't "get" the show not because of low ratings. Jccalhoun 21:35, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No critisisms section?

63.192.190.120 08:34, 18 February 2006 (UTC) The entire channel has had a rehaul, every old fan of it is speaking against it, the takeover and termination of many of TechTV's employees... I think it's time this page got a criticism section. It's basically now like what MTV did, and that page has one. Banzai and Triumph are coming as well. I say we start one.

Hakusa - Wiki addict: 03:47, September 5, 2005 (UTC) While I was thinking of adding one, after all I don't know one person who is peticularly happy with its programs, but I realized without a refference it might likely be deleted swiftly. So I thought mabe I could post here first and get the deleters opinion about it. Please not that if a critisism section was added by me, I would agrue both sides. Also I wanted to ask if posting that "no liable refferences were found, but take it to the talk page before deleting," would be a good idea.

After hearing that G4 is adding bring about the man show we need a critisims section ASAP. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.252.164.29 (talk • contribs) 15:56, 28 September 2005.
I agree wholeheartedly. G4 is widely criticized for its focus on celebrities than gaming. --Phil 01:36, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
I also agree. As someone who loves video games and technology, I find it amazing how utter unwatchable their programming is. Between the controversy of the merger and the highly-debatable quality (or rather, lake thereof) of the channel itself there should be plenty to write a criticisms section on.--Daveswagon 09:13, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
This is a factual article unless you can get a news article and/or some facts based on this it should not appear. Wikipedia despite what you may think is a for reference and therefor must be factual Mike 13:42, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Considering that G4 is a semi-obscure, niche market cable channel, it's unlikely that there will be any full-blown newspaper articles on the quality and merits of the channel (most people simply don't care). I was able to find the following negative press/blogs/postings simply by Googling "g4tv". I think it may say something that I was able to find negative material so easily with an unbiased search term. http://igo.ampednews.com/news/3151/</nowiki, <nowiki>http://www.joystiq.com/2005/12/28/g4tv-vs-mtv-for-gamers/, http://joystiq.com/2005/12/13/g4-cancels-two-shows-revamps-a-third/, http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2841, http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=G4TV, http://www.stumbleupon.com/url/www.g4tv.com/, http://www.g4tv.com/screensavers/features/50635/Two_minutes_with_Farkcoms_Drew_Curtis.html (bottom of page) --Daveswagon 05:08, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

I dont think we need a whining section about how everyone misses techtv Mike 04:30, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

It's not a "whining" section. It's a legit topic with legit concerns. I believe we should add one. iKato 01:48, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Everyone is right, there needs to be a criticism section. After all, how can they call themselves the "Video Game Network", when the majority of their shows have nothing to do with video games?71.96.11.37 23:11, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edited

The statement: "The name G4 comes from the network's main subject material: Games, Gear, Gadgets, and Gigabytes (4 Gs)" is incorrect. According to the G4 FAQ (written by AGN himself):"G4 stands for 4 generations of games, Text, Sprites, Poly, Textures and 4 Game platforms PC, Console, Handheld, Arcade." Link to FAQ on mainpage.

  • The 4 Gs in question are the 4 Gs of G4techTV. --Lbmixpro 02:55, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)

The link referring to the show, "Players" incorrectly points to a Dick Wolf production of the same name. Someone should set up a page. --Metron4 21:17, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Message Boards and Website

You guys do know that the message boards and the website are completely seperate? People who use the forum usually do not like the TV show! They should be seperated. And Off-Topic should be seperated, because they are really their own special group.

[edit] Merging

Do we need to merge G4 (television) and TechTV into G4TechTV? OR do we let them be? (Please Respond on This talk page to keep it in one place. Ilyanep 17:54, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)

No don't. Use TechTV to describe pre-WWII--I meam pre-merger TechTV, and G4TechTV to discuss the merger and the channels during the time of the merger. Don't forget to include the tensions on the forum. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.1.34.21 (talk • contribs)
I'd have to agree without merging them. In all reality, each network is different from each other, TechTV being an entire different product which has no actual relationship with G4 than being bought by Comcast, making each of the three entries specific to that time in the channels lives. Chris 16:34, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New page?

Is a new page necessary for pre-G4techTV and post-G4techTV? I mean, G4 pre-TechTV was available in less than 15 million homes, and post-G4techTV was available in over 50 million homes. Other changes too, like logos and shows should be considered for a separate page. --Mrmiscellanious 03:14, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

It's the same name and essentially the same channel, so I say it should stay here. This article is very short and the current information could easily fit in a new section of a larger text. See the NBC article for how we could document the changes to the logo (if there have been enough changes). I think the best layout for the page would be a section for each major change in G4, with a section for the pre-TechTV era, a paragraph or two on the G4techTV merged channel, with a link to the G4techTV article as the main article (as seen in the Germany article: "Main article: History of Germany", but "Main article: G4techTV" under the G4techTV section header). - MattTM | talk 03:55, Jan 16, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Discontinued shows

I added discontinued shows that were previously on G4tv, but have been cancelled. Shows that never made it to G4 weren't added, they can stay on the TechTV page. Good, yes?

[edit] Unprotected

Trial unprotect--I'm watching and will reluctantly restore protection if the vandalism resumes. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 15:36, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Errgh...

Sorry to allow it to happen, but a friend who barrowed my laptop, used my account to vandalize the logo here.

Sorry.

[edit] Suggestion for article protection

Due to a recent story at digg.com http://www.digg.com/technology/TechTv_is_NOT_Coming_Back._G4_turing_into_new_SpikeTv., I believe it'd be wise to protect this article for a while. (23:36, 27 Sep 2005 (U.S. Central))

It deserves to be vandalised. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.252.164.29 (talk • contribs) 15:58, 28 September 2005.
A notable development (including one of a controversial nature) is an excellent reason to make certain that a page is not protected. This is an encyclopedia, and such information should be included. Aside from added attention where/when it's warranted, vandalism should not be dealt with proactively. —Lifeisunfair 22:18, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
It keeps getting vandaled I think semi protection for a little bit is a good idea. Mike 21:13, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Call for Help

There needs to be a concensus reached about the condition of the show, i.e. whether its "Still airing, now produced by G4techTV Canada" or simply "Now produced by G4techTV Canada". I'm tired of seeing this revert war on my Watchlist and it's not helping the article at all. ~ Hibana 00:19, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Its fixed now and its ok. Mike Beckham 02:57, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anime Unleashed is gone

Therefore it is irrelavant to have the CRTC comment on any G4 related Wiki pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grahambrunk (talk • contribs)

[edit] DO NOT Remove Content

Please do not remove shows or move them to former shows if they are not cancelled or if they are scheduled to return. Mike Beckham 01:32, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What is the current status on Anime Unleashed?

Has the big announcement happened yet about what exactly is going to happen to it? Keep me posted. --AyrtonSenna 18:44, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Semi-Protect?

Can this article be semi-protected again for a while? It's being vandalised alot. Mike Beckham 00:02, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Agreed! I just got though reverting information again. Chris 15:08, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Where's Arena?

I thought g4 was still airing arena reruns. but what happened?

It's gone. 24.188.203.181 20:13, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] G4's Training Camp

it was still airing on G4 but where it go?134.124.93.232 16:47, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Similarites to spike?

should it be mentioned that it's similar to Spike TV? I mean take a look at the shows.

See spike is absolutly intented for male viewers and just look at the shows. Totally Outrages Behavior (which is bassicly the same as worlds amazing videos and most amazing cop videos), Man Show, and I'm pretty sure it's the only other channel that runs reruns of Star Trek: The Next Generation besides spike.

[edit] Comcast gives up on G4

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6159802.html --Elven6 00:04, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bring back the show list

I liked the shows list :)

[edit] Is G4 altering the article?

I was just wondering if it's possible that G4's altering it's article to make people think that it's not that bad of a channel. My two reasons for thinking this is that 1) G4 is fully aware of wikipedia (they mention it all the time) and 2) Sometimes, the critisism article sometimes is removed or very shortend or misleading. --Uber Cuber (User:68.43.180.69)

Your contributions to the criticism section[1][2] were poorly worded, unsourced point-of-view. This is why they were removed, not because of a G4techTV conspiracy to silence all dissidents. I realize that you want to go around exclaiming, as a concrete example, "Naruto Sucks", however Wikipedia generally desires its contributions to be more encyclopedic in nature. –Gunslinger47 00:32, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, my brother wrote that. I would like to apologise to all Naruto fans offended. Also, I mainly ment that sometimes the critisims section is missing and everything on it is positive and/or biased. --Uber Cuber

G4 could be behind it thats why Wikipedia should be stricter and give more limitations.

Thank you! That's what I meant. You can't trust every user considering how Microsoft actually paid someone to edit their page.

We could always have someone use Wikiscanner on them —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.43.180.69 (talk) 01:33, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Some interesting material from the early days of G4

This is a press release from the early days of G4. Its kind of illustrative of the unhealthy relationships the network wanted to have with advertisers. The original plan was for G4 to be more focused on licensed games with movie, sports or TV tie-ins. The launch schedule of shows was designed to bombard the viewer with coverage of the same movie/game from many different directions. They would review the movie in one show, review the game in the next, watch the actors from the movie play the game, show demos of the game on Cinematch and then profile the creator of the game all while running the trailer of the movie as a overly long commerical.

Why this is interesting is that it kind of explains why G4 failed. The original concept of the network wasn't actually to aim at games themselves or gamers at all. The plan was rather to cross-promote movies through their video game tie-ins.


LOS ANGELES, Calif. (August 8, 2002) - In a move that aligns the hottest new cable TV network with one of this summer's most anticipated movies, G4, the network all about video games, Revolution Studios and Sony Pictures have entered into a marketing partnership to promote the upcoming "xXx," opening in theaters nationwide August 9.

This partnership, which brings "xXx" to G4's teen and young adult audience, is comprised of a month-long promotion that includes programming integration, trailers, commercial spots and more, tying in "xXx" across many of G4's 13 original shows. G4 also will promote the Activision-published Game Boy? Advance video game for "xXx," now available and based on the film.

G4 will run full-length trailers for "xXx," as well as incorporate film-related content into many of its regular series. The network also will air a special "xXx" edition of its celebrity show, Players, featuring the film's stars Vin Diesel and Asia Argento, director Rob Cohen, and hosted by "xXx" star Michael Roof. Cinematech, G4's showcase for digital shorts, will feature "xXx" game animation and the film's trailer. And hosts from interactive talk show, G4tv.com, will chat with "xXx" game and movie fans. Judgment Day, G4's review show, will give viewers the low-down on the "xXx" video game. The network will also be on hand to cover the red-carpet premiere of the movie.

12.96.162.45 18:56, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] G4 IS ON Channel 515 BELL EXPRESS VU in CANADA

I live in Canada, and it is on Bell express VU, channel 515 so some one plz put it in the article! [22ndCW]Dell970 14:22, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

No it isn't! G4 does not air in Canada, the Canadian affiliate called G4techTV Canada airs in Canada on channel 515 as you on Express Vu and on 514 on Starchoice. CroweZ3R0 02:01, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Early history

This article is really great, but it could use more on the years between 2002 and 2005. G4 didn't just start with the end of G4TechTV.--Chris Griswold (☎☓) 20:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I've added a section on the early days. The not so nice version of G4's history is that it was created because Comcast needed more nitch channels to get people to buy digitial set-top boxes. Certain people at comcast hated techtv because it was too geek. They also thought there was a huge untapped market of non-geek hardcore gamers and nobody involved had watched MTV since about 1992 to know that its programming was no longer what they thought it was.
Eventually, certain people at the top of Comcast decided they needed more basic cable networks under their control. So they got the idea to push G4 out into really wide distribution. Rather than a niche network for digital, it would be pushed into wide distribution where the expectations would be much higher as far as ratings. TechTV was considered to be in the way of this play (it was "stealing" ratings that belonged to G4 in their warped thinking) so they went out and bought it. They co-opted the few things (mostly the credibility of a few hosts) that TechTV did better than they did and got rid of everything else.
When G4's ratings (as expected) were not large enough for such a wide distribution, Comcast reacted by blaming the video game programming and cutting off heads. I suspect their current plan is to run xplay into the ground by overexposing it until the ratings fall. The problem in the long run is that comcast is too cheap to spend the money necessary to make G4 a success at anything. 12.96.162.45 21:50, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] sony bashing

While the sony bashing comment was removed from the criticism, there is some truth to it. The best example I can think of is xplay's repeated irrational bashing of the psp. Every time they review any game for it, they bash the platform before the review. If its a good review of a game, they act like its a shock. If a bad review, they act like its expected. The problem is that a look through their reviews doesn't suggest that much difference in game quality vs. the Nintendo DS which they are careful to never say a bad word about. They also seem real careful about making comments about another big company. For example, its funny how a news segment about a certain big company hiring people to change Wikipedia on AOTS (1/25/2007) turns into a segment attacking Wikipedia and claming its about to fail supported by the united opinion of two experts brought in.

There is also a strange tendency to bash adapted from anime games that "just happen" by chance to be running at Warner's Cartoon Network. I mean the games are usually no good, but they go out of their way to bash the shows themselves. They did the same thing with the family guy game and were even more explicit in bashing Cartoon Network.


To me, even if the bashing is intentional it doesn't matter much. I think they want xplay dead as a show anyway and are running it into the ground by showing it back to back every night. I'm guessing that AOTS and xplay get cancelled because of "ratings" right around the time they shut down the current studio and move everything up to where E! is. I would actually kind of doubt that there is even studio space up there for those shows if they did move. 12.96.162.45 22:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Acutally, X-Play is the highest rated show by far on G4, i doubt it gets canceled. 65.90.51.40 06:42, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

X-play and AOTS are really the only two shows on G4 now maybe there's a little bit of cinimatech here and there but that's it...

sony isnt really the platform that is bashed. The pc gets burned badly by them. They review high quality games like company of heroes many weeks after release and was barely mentioned while they were like zomg new zelda game.

Everyone knows they have slighted Sony on there shows. Its obvious the way they judge the games. Angelocasio 12:50, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What is wrong with Infobox?

It seems no matter how I fix it, it always looks deformed.

Mbrstooge 14:52, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] G4 is not gaming TV

G4 is just television for junk shows that are supposed to make money. There's hardly anything on the network that deals with games OR tech stuff. There's X-Play, and..maybe Cinematech. That's all. It resembles MTV. It's supposed to be for games, as MTV is supposed to be for music. From what I know, MTV doesn't do all music, music videos, etc. anymore. It's just a channel, like G4, for "popular" things today. I'd rather have TechTV back, at least then I could watch Screensavers and Anime Unleashed again.

G4 gave up on gaming a long time ago. The network is in a holding pattern right now while the executives at the E! network decide what they want to do with it. Thats why they are running COPS so much. Your probably not going to like what they come up with. Enjoy X-Play as the last gasp of a really great network (TechTV). I wish it could be 1998-1999 forever but its over. 63.3.5.2 04:14, 14 February 2007 (UTC)


Yeah I wish the'd take away all the shows like the man show, cheaters, cops, star treak, street fury, and everything else that has nothing to do with gaming I sort of think that the "TV for gamers" part ended a little while after the merge with Tech TV when they started adding other shows. I mean X-play is fine and so are all the other shows that are about video games, but they're not on that often...I wish for the old G4.

how do they figute street fury and cheaters are something that people who like games and tech are gonna like that? Those shows make no sense at all.

The only re-run shows they have that are actually good is the two Star Treks, but come on, it's star trek. Plus, they're not the only channel running it, infact I see it all the time on SpikeTv


They still run Attck of the Show though. It keeps the old G4 alive. Even if it is now just a zombie75.121.36.237 (talk) 02:44, 28 March 2008 (UTC)Arbiter099

[edit] article locked, can someone add this

There is an incomplete list of the launch shows for G4 in 2002 in the article. The full list of all 13 shows is: Arena, Blister, Cheat!, Cinematech, Filter, Game On, G4tv.com, Icons, Judgment Day, Players, Portal, Pulse and Sweat


[edit] G4 Studios being closed down

http://www.g4rewind.com/2007/03/confirmed_g4_studios_to_close.html. The article needs to be updated to reflect the new info. --SU182 01:50, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Another interesting thing is that right now there are no schedules given at the g4 website past March 11th (next sunday). 12.96.162.45 17:54, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Free Stuff

Does anyone know if this will be an ongoing show or a one-time thing. It sounds like a half-hour commerical where they give sponsored items away to viewers. Its also getting a half-hour of the ATOS timeslot and following a "free stuff" episode of ATOS. Being cynical, I'm also wondering if this is a try-out for changing the format of ATOS into something like an infomerical. 12.96.162.45 17:50, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I think is for the summer time only.

[edit] Comcast Channels

G4 is channel 219, what is everyone else watching? 24.218.135.18 00:38, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Charter Basic Cable

Channel 75 (G4) has not been working on basic cable since September 12, 2007. last time it worked was on September 11th.12.127.178.158 22:06, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] G4 not found on Dish Network

Today I did a search for G4 on Dish Network's television programming and it ended up that it was nowhere to be seen. I even did a search for it with the search feature but no results had come up. At all. I have no online references for this but I feel that somebody needs to find a reference for it and update the page for it to no longer be associated with Dish. --69.19.254.215 (talk) 20:34, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Back to TechTV?

My DirecTV guide now lists G4 as TechTV again..was the channel name changed again? -Karaku (talk) 17:42, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Man Show is gone from G4

It is true that "The Man Show" has left the G4 lineup in favor of the encore airings of Attack of the Show, X-Play & Ninja Warrior. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.237.220.220 (talk) 22:34, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] X-play replacing Attack of the show! ?

X-play started as a review show now it tries to give news and all sorts of other crap. It only runs two reviews per show now. Do you think this is G4 trying to eliminate the need for Attack and then replace it with another retarded show?75.121.36.237 (talk) 02:55, 28 March 2008 (UTC)Arbiter099

[edit] G4 rewind block

Starting June 2nd, The Classics are back!--12.127.178.158 (talk) 21:18, 24 May 2008 (UTC)