Talk:Götterdämmerung

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[edit] Other Translations?

Translations I have heard for the word "Götterdämmerung" include:

Explanations for these very different translations can be found on the above Google links. I would love to see a section in the article breaking down these various translations, their accuracies, and their sources. --4.65.244.206 18:02, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Perhaps you should note that Twighlight of the Idols is also occasionally used (particularly appropriate for comparisons with Nietzsche).

You're above translation includes opposites "Dawn" and "Dusk" (Twilight). This is appropriate to the German dämmerung which may be either according to the prefix (Morgendämmerung and Abenddämmerung respectively). Wagner clearly intended it as Dusk or Twilight, when one assesses the content of the opera - so I am not sure Dawn of the Gods is appropriate...--OldakQuill 14:05, 16 May 2004 (UTC)

As far as the opera is concerned, I've never heard it translated as anything other than "Twilight of the Gods". --Camembert

[edit] Final Performance

The final perfomance before the fall of Berlin in WWII by the Berliner Philharmoniker on April 12th 1945 was the finale from Gotterdammerung, as it was felt to be entirely fit for the situation, should this be mentioned in the "Notes" section?

Only if it can be verified by a source. Do you have a source for it? --Alexs letterbox 01:44, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Albert Speer "Inside The Third Reich"

Then by all means add it, citing that book using Wikipedia:Footnotes. --Alexs letterbox 08:27, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Do we really want to declare Albert Speer a "reliable source"? --OliverH 11:53, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
You got something to suggest that he isn't? 74.140.211.161 14:45, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of Trivia

I have removed:

At War With The Mystics, the eleventh album by American rock band The Flaming Lips, features a track entitled "Pompeii am Götterdämmerung".

As it appears to have nothing to do with the opera (as well as being irrelevant). --Alexs letterbox 23:27, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

I concur heartily; we don't want trivial pop/rock connections to major operas! --Allansteel 03:07, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] End of the plot

I havent seen it, but from this article i dont get the reason for the death of the gods? --82.131.86.22 13:57, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

As far as I can recall, the fire from the funeral pyre reaches into the sky and basically burns Valhalla and the Gods.
Its complicated. In the prologue, the Norns tell us that Wotan has felled the World Ash Tree, and has piled its timber around Vahalla. Brünnhilde sends ravens to her rock to tell Loge to go to Vahalla. He does, and it burns. The actual process of Vahalla's destruction is of little consequence: we know that the Gods are going to die as early as scene iv of Rheingold. --Alexs letterbox 02:00, 27 June 2007 (UTC)