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Might there be a map of the Gaidhealtachd? -- Anon
[edit] Loanword
Gaeltacht as a loanword of scottish gaelic is somewhat dubious due to both being dialects of the same language and also the name in itself can be formed from roots in both irish and scots gaelic
- I've rephrased the reference to Gaeltacht and removed the reference to it being a loanword. I don't know whether it is or isn't, but if you add it back, please leave some sort of citation or reference here. ☸ Moilleadóir 06:55, 14 February 2007 (UTC) ☏
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- Does anyone know if there is a linguistic correspondence between 'Gaeltacht' and 'Gaidhealtachd' that matches other correspondences between the languages/dialects? I've not taken phonetics yet, so..
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- Not sure exactly what you mean (& you really should sign your posts), but as whoever-it-was said above they are both reasonable formations from the respective words Gael (Irish, older spelling Gaedheal) and Gaidheal (Scottish Gaelic). Both words go back to Old Irish Goídel, itself a loan from Old Welsh Guoidel.
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- Ó Dónaill (Foclóir Gaeilge-Béarla 1977) gives these meanings:
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- Gael, 1. Irishman, Irishwoman. 2. (Scottish) highlander.
- Gaeltacht, 1. Lit: Irishry; Irish(-speaking) people. 2. Irish-speaking area. 3. Gaelic-speaking area of Scotland.
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- Dinneen (Foclóir Gaedhilge agus Béarla 1927):
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- Gaedheal, an Irishman, a Highlander; a Catholic; cf. Sasanach, a Protestant, and Albanach, a Presbyterian...[!]
- Gaedhealtacht, the state of being Irish or Scotch; Gaeldom, Irishry, the native race of Ireland; Irish-speaking district or districts; the Gaeltacht [i.e. the then new officially defined area?]; bean de'n Gh., a woman of the Irishry (Art MacC.*); G. Alban, the Highlands of Scotland.
- *Art McC.—Art McCooey, an Armagh poet of the 18th century.
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- I don't have the equivalent Gaelic dictionaries to make a comparison, but I imagine there is a parallel development there. The reference to Art McCooey in Dinneen shows that the word Gaedhealtacht is likely to have existed in Irish for some time, though with a slightly different meaning than the geographical/linguistic one, which probably wouldn't have been a useful one in Ireland prior to the famine since Irish was widely spoken.
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- So, perhaps the specific meaning of a defined area of Gaelic/Irish speakers did come from Gaelic, but it's quite hard to tell.
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- ☸ Moilleadóir 06:16, 11 September 2007 (UTC) ☏
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[edit] Pictish
Note that much of the east of Scotland was a Pictish speaking area and, although some parts switched from Pictish to Gaelic, others switched from Pictish to Scots, so it's a little exaggerated to claim that all of Scotland was Gaelic speaking at any time. -- Derek Ross 22:01, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- It's not so much that, more that Pictish was absorbed into Gaelic. Northumberland was Gaelic-speaking at one time, actually. --Gabriel Beecham/Kwekubo 19:29, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- That's nonsense, all Picts went from Pictish to either Gaelic or Norse, unless you suppose Pictish survived until the thirteenth century, when we have the first evidence for English north of the Forth. - Calgacus 22:11, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Caithness
The inclusion of Caithness as a traditionally lowland scots speaking area is as misleading as it is common. The northernmost part of Caithness went from Norse to Lallans but Gaelic was also widely spoken in the region as well.
