User:Fyslee/RFAR

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$\star$ Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Barrett v. Rosenthal $\star$
This is my archive for stuff relevant to the RFAR. It is mostly for historical purposes.

This user has survived an arbitration hearing. He was cautioned.

1 First notification
2 Then began two (more) months of hell
3 RFAR sections (without Talk pages)
4 Contents of sections
5 Proposed remedies
6 Motion to close - Signpost, March 26, 2007
7 Closed cases - Signpost, April 2, 2007
8 Participants
9 Misc. links

[edit] First notification

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Barrett v. Rosenthal

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Barrett v. Rosenthal. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Barrett v. Rosenthal/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Barrett v. Rosenthal/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Newyorkbrad (Acting as Assistant to the Clerk) 23:51, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Source

[edit] Then began two (more) months of hell

Case Opened on 23:29, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Case Closed on 12:31, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RFAR sections (without Talk pages)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Barrett v. Rosenthal

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Barrett v. Rosenthal/Evidence‎

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Barrett v. Rosenthal/Workshop

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Barrett v. Rosenthal/Proposed decision

[edit] Contents of sections

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Barrett v. Rosenthal

1 Involved parties
2 Statement by Wizardry Dragon (Peter M Dodge)
3 Statement by Fyslee
4 Statement by Guy
5 Statement by Jance
6 Statement by peripherally involved KillerChihuahua
7 Statement by Durova
8 Statement by MastCell
9 Statement by David D.
10 Statement by named editor Arthur Rubin
11 Statement by Ronz
12 Statement by Ilena
13 Comment by Alan2012
14 Preliminary decisions
14.1 Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (6/0/0/0)
15 Final decision
15.1 Principles
15.1.1 Neutral Point of View
15.1.2 Biographies of living persons
15.1.3 Outside conflicts
15.1.4 Using online and self-published sources
15.1.5 Partisan, corporate, institutional and religious sources
15.1.6 Extremist sources
15.1.7 Conflict of interest
15.1.8 Point of view editing
15.1.9 Advocacy and propaganda
15.2 Findings of Fact
15.2.1 Ilena
15.2.2 Struggle by Ilena
15.2.3 Disruption by Ilena
15.2.4 Stephen Barrett
15.2.5 Fyslee
15.2.6 Incivility and personal attacks by Fyslee
15.2.7 Use of unreliable sources by Fyslee
15.3 Remedies
15.3.1 Ilena banned
15.3.2 Ilena banned from editing alternative medicine
15.3.3 Fyslee is cautioned
15.4 Enforcement
15.4.1 Enforcement by block
15.5 Log of blocks and bans

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Barrett v. Rosenthal/Evidence‎

1 Evidence presented by Wizardry Dragon (Peter M Dodge)
1.1 Fyslee engaged in meatpuppetry using an external website
1.2 Fyslee self identifies as an "anti-quackery activist"
1.3 Ilena is a named defendant in a federal case involving Stephen Barrett
2 Evidence presented by Ilena
2.1 Fyslee attempted to destroy valuable evidence and Privacy Issues
2.2 Fyslee functions on Wikipedia and several other internet venues as Barrett / Quackwatch / NCAHF Publicist
2.3 Sampling of Disinformation intentionally posted by Fyslee
2.4 Fyslee is a vital part of a Barrett Group ... formed to 'round up net quacks' on the internet
2.5 Attacks by Fyslee Against Me
2.6 Response to Joshua below
2.7 GigiButterfly is a Wikipedia:Single_purpose_account that posts propaganda for Barrett
3 Evidence presented by Fyslee
3.1 Comments
3.1.1 1. Missing evidence from Peter M Dodge
3.1.2 2. Ilena is wasting our time
3.1.3 3. A request for evidence
3.1.4 4. Guilt by association?
3.1.5 5. "Obscur[ing] the evidence yet again" ??
3.1.6 6. Barrett is not on trial here
3.2 My privacy concerns should be respected
3.3 Ilena has made personal attacks
3.4 Ilena has serious COI, BLP, and NPOV issues here
3.4.1 COI issues
3.4.2 BLP issues (as related to her COI issues)
3.4.3 NPOV issues (related to both of the above)
3.4.4 Conclusion
3.5 Ilena falsely claims that BvR is motivated by opposition to her breast implant activism
3.6 Ilena changed my contribution
3.7 Bad faith accusation of intentionally inflaming Ilena
3.8 Levine2112's meatpuppetry accusation from the James Randi list
3.9 Levine2112's COI accusation involving webrings
3.10 Levine2112's "linkspam and vanity links" accusation [80]
3.11 Ilena has been blocked indefinitely
3.12 I'clast's charges regarding use of unreliable sources [87]
3.13 Response to MaxPont's "evidence" [93]
4 Evidence by JoshuaZ
4.1 Fyslee's involvement
4.2 Ilena
5 Evidence presented by Arthur Rubin
5.1 Ilena makes off-Wiki personal attacks against specific Wikipedia editors
5.2 Ilena spammed her web site in her signature, in violation of WP:SIGNATURE
5.3 Ilena was uncivil and committed personal attacks
5.4 Fyslee was not adding vanity links
5.5 Re Levine2112's latest comment on Fyslee
6 Evidence presented by MastCell
6.1 Extension of a real-life dispute
6.2 WP:BLP
6.3 Reformability
7 Evidence presented by Ronz
7.1 Ilena has contributed to Wikipedia through a number of ip addresses
7.2 Ilena has attacked multiple Wikipedia editors on her own website, and has used links to those attacks as part of her editing here
7.3 Response to evidence of Fyslee using unreliable sources
8 Evidence presented by Addobbi
8.1 Ilene blows Chirotalk issue out of proportion
9 Evidence presented by AvB
9.1 Discussion of evidence provided by Levine2112
9.1.1 Levine's 61 spamlink diffs resolve to 4 true additions, all carried by consensus
9.1.2 Mediation
9.1.3 Conclusion (2)
9.1.4 Contextualized diffs of Levine2112's evidence against Fyslee
9.2 Ilena's updated "Wikipedia" page
9.3 Incorrect meatpuppetry accusation
9.3.1 Wizardry Dragon (Peter M Dodge)
9.3.2 Ilena
10 Evidence presented by Levine2112
10.1 Fyslee enflamed Ilena from the get-go
10.2 Meat-puppetry by Fyslee
10.3 COI for Fyslee
10.4 Fyslee's POV Push against Chiropractic
10.5 Fyslee brings his outside conflict onto Wikipedia
10.6 Linkspam and Vanity Links added by Fyslee
10.6.1 Response to AvB
10.7 Personal attacks by Fyslee
10.8 Fyslee taunts editors
10.9 Closing note
11 Evidence presented by I'clast
11.1 Fyslee's attitude toward Ilena & others
11.2 Ilena's COI accusations & the hostile environment
11.3 Fyslee's (re)use of unreliable sources in 2 more articles
11.4 Incivility, Gaming the system vs others' collaboration
11.5 recent edits
12 Evidence presented by Durova
13 Evidence presented by David D.
14 Evidence presented by Steth
15 Evidence presented by Jim Butler
16 Evidence presented by MaxPont
16.1 Reply to ShotInfo
17 Evidence presented by Shot_Info
17.1 Response to User:I'clast's COI accusations

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Barrett v. Rosenthal/Workshop

1 Motions and requests by the parties
1.1 Request by User:Ilena to look at broader picture ... Am I the only "advocate" here?
1.2 Request to split fact 3.2 (Use of unreliable sources by Fyslee)
1.3 Request to consider the environment of the sites in question
1.4 Fyslee requests comment on personal statement and guiding principles
1.4.1 Fyslee's personal statement and disclaimer
1.4.2 Guiding principles for decision making in disputes
1.4.2.1 1. Personal POV not a factor
1.4.2.2 2. Personal POV and NPOV
1.4.2.3 3. Failure to assume good faith
1.4.2.4 4. Using someone's personal affiliations against them
1.4.2.5 5. Personal attacks
1.4.2.6 6. Learning curve and redeemability
1.4.2.7 7. Life and POV outside of Wikipedia
1.4.2.8 8. Whom would you rather have on the "other side of the table"?
1.4.2.9 9. Bannable for unblockable "offenses"?
1.4.2.10 10. Muddy COI guideline (it is not a policy)
1.4.2.11 11. Failure to recognize a problem
1.5 Potential COI and self-disclosure
1.6 Request for clarification of facts 3.2 and 3.3
2 Proposed temporary injunctions
3 Questions to the parties
4 Proposed final decision
4.1 Proposed principles
4.1.2 Honey and Vinegar
4.1.3 Conflict of Interest
4.1.4 Neutral Point of View
4.1.5 Inflammatory Sites are Inappropriate
4.1.5.1 Links to attack sites
4.1.6 No Personal Attacks
4.1.7 Real-life feuds or disputes
4.1.8 Wikipedia is not a Battleground
4.1.9 Real-life disputes
4.1.10 Audi alteram partem‎
4.1.11 Undue weight
4.1.12 Editors may have opinions
4.1.13 The importance of collaborative editing
4.1.14 Neutral Point of View
4.1.15 Biographies of living persons
4.1.16 Outside conflicts
4.1.17 Attack sites versus sceptical sites
4.1.18 Using online and self-published sources
4.1.18.1 Partisan, corporate, institutional and religious sources
4.1.18.2 Extremist sources
4.1.19 Conflict of interest (2)
4.2 Proposed findings of fact
4.2.2 Ilena
4.2.2.1 Struggle by Ilena
4.2.3 Stephen Barrett
4.2.4 Fyslee
4.2.4.1 Incivility and personal attacks by Fyslee
4.2.4.2 Use of unreliable sources by Fyslee
4.2.5 Conflict of interest: Ilena
4.2.6 Conflict of interest: Fyslee
4.2.7 Disputed editing between Fyslee and Ilena
4.2.8 Responsibility for one's actions
4.2.9 Ongoing violations of policy
4.3 Proposed remedies
4.3.1 Ilena Banned
4.3.2 Ilena banned
4.3.3 Fyslee banned
4.3.4 Fyslee and Ilena limited bans
4.3.5 Fyslee banned
4.3.6 Ilena, toward a mechanism for outside views to the Wiki community
4.3.7 Article probation
4.3.8 Request for clarification

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Barrett v. Rosenthal/Proposed decision

1 Motions and requests by the parties Contents [hide]
1 Motions and requests by the parties
2 Proposed temporary injunctions
3 Proposed final decision
3.1 Proposed principles
3.1.1 Neutral Point of View
3.1.2 Biographies of living persons
3.1.3 Outside conflicts
3.1.4 Using online and self-published sources
3.1.4.1 Partisan, corporate, institutional and religious sources
3.1.4.2 Extremist sources
3.1.5 Conflict of interest
3.1.6 Point of view editing
3.1.7 Advocacy and propaganda
3.2 Proposed findings of fact
3.2.1 Ilena
3.2.1.1 Struggle by Ilena
3.2.1.2 Disruption by Ilena
3.2.2 Stephen Barrett
3.2.3 Fyslee
3.2.3.1 Incivility and personal attacks by Fyslee
3.2.3.2 Use of unreliable sources by Fyslee
3.2.3.3 Use of questionable sources by Fyslee
3.2.3.4 Disruption by Fyslee
3.2.4 "Tim Bolen"
3.3 Proposed remedies (See below)
3.3.1 Ilena banned
3.3.2 Ilena banned from editing alternative medicine
3.3.3 Fyslee banned from editing alternative medicine
3.3.4 Fyslee is cautioned
3.3.5 "Tim Bolen" banned
3.4 Proposed enforcement
3.4.1 Enforcement by block
3.5 Discussion by Arbitrators
3.5.1 General
3.6 Motion to close
3.6.1 Implementation notes
3.6.2 Vote

[edit] Proposed remedies

Note: All remedies that refer to a period of time, for example to a ban of X months or a revert parole of Y months, are to run concurrently unless otherwise stated.

[edit] Ilena banned (passed)

1) Ilena is banned from Wikipedia for one year.

Support:

Fred Bauder 18:22, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 17:31, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
James F. (talk) 17:30, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
The Uninvited Co., Inc. 18:23, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Flcelloguy (A note?) 21:55, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Charles Matthews 11:41, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Paul August ☎ 16:46, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
FloNight 20:11, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
SimonP 00:18, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Kirill Lokshin 19:05, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

[edit] Ilena banned from editing alternative medicine (passed)

2) Ilena is banned indefinitely from editing articles which relate to alternative medicine, Quackwatch and related articles, and litigation she was involved with. The ban includes talk pages with the exception of articles which relate to breast implants.

Support:

Fred Bauder 18:22, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 17:31, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
James F. (talk) 17:30, 25 February 2007 (UTC) Though this probably might as well be a permanent site-ban.
The Uninvited Co., Inc. 18:23, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

(Note minor fix.) Flcelloguy (A note?) 21:55, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Charles Matthews 11:41, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Paul August ☎ 17:36, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
FloNight 20:11, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
SimonP 00:18, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Kirill Lokshin 19:05, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

[edit] Fyslee banned from editing alternative medicine (not passed)

3) Fyslee is banned from editing Barrett v. Rosenthal, all articles which relate to Quackwatch and similar activities, and all articles which relate to alternative medicine. He may comment and make suggestions on talk pages.

Support:

Fred Bauder 18:22, 19 February 2007 (UTC) Should there be doubt, check this out. Fred Bauder 15:27, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

~~jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 17:31, 21 February 2007 (UTC)~~
James F. (talk) 17:30, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
The Uninvited Co., Inc. 18:23, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Flcelloguy (A note?) 21:55, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Charles Matthews 11:41, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Kirill Lokshin 19:05, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Oppose:

Paul August ☎ 16:46, 6 March 2007 (UTC) Unconvinced.
FloNight 20:11, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
SimonP 00:18, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 04:57, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Abstain:

[edit] Fyslee is cautioned (passed)

3.1) Fyslee is cautioned to use reliable sources and to edit from a NPOV. He is reminded that editors with a known partisan point of view should be careful to seek consensus on the talk page of articles to avoid the appearance of a COI if other editors question their edits.

Support

FloNight 22:34, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Paul August ☎ 23:26, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
SimonP 00:18, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Kirill Lokshin 19:05, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 04:58, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Fred Bauder 17:18, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Charles Matthews 22:08, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Oppose:

~~Fred Bauder 00:10, 10 March 2007 (UTC)~~

Abstain:

[edit] "Tim Bolen" banned (not passed...yet... ;-)

4) The anonymous editor who identifies himself as "Tim Bolen (quackpotwatch.org and bolenreport.net)" is indefinitely banned from Wikipedia.

Support:

Fred Bauder 14:59, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
James F. (talk) 20:33, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 15:54, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Kirill Lokshin 19:05, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
FloNight 10:42, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Oppose:

Paul August ☎ 17:41, 9 March 2007 (UTC) Per my argument above.
The Uninvited Co., Inc. 15:42, 26 March 2007 (UTC). We would need a separate case for this.

Abstain:

[edit] Motion to close - Signpost, March 26, 2007

Barrett v. Rosenthal: A case brought by Peter M. Dodge involving the actions of Ilena and Fyslee. According to Dodge, Ilena was initially reported to AN/I for "posting links to sites that some considered to be attack sites". Various users attempted to assist Ilena, but "This was sabotaged...when Fyslee posted a link to a site that attacked Ilena in a personal manner". The title of the case refers to Barrett v. Rosenthal, a decision of the Supreme Court of California, which ruled that internet users and providers were not liable for the republication of defamatory statements, which some editors believe provides protection for Wikipedia. It has been alleged that some editors were involved in the real-life litigation of the case. If closed, Ilena would be banned for one year.

[edit] Closed cases - Signpost, April 2, 2007

Barrett v. Rosenthal: A case brought by Peter M. Dodge involving the actions of Ilena and Fyslee. According to Dodge, Ilena was initially reported to AN/I for "posting links to sites that some considered to be attack sites". Various users attempted to assist Ilena, but "This was sabotaged...when Fyslee posted a link to a site that attacked Ilena in a personal manner". The title of the case refers to Barrett v. Rosenthal, a decision of the Supreme Court of California, which ruled that internet users and providers were not liable for the republication of defamatory statements, which some editors believe provides protection for Wikipedia. It has been alleged that some editors were involved in the real-life litigation of the case. As a result of the case, Ilena was banned for one year, and indefinitely banned from editing articles relating to alternative medicine.