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Contents 1 "Cultural analysis" 1.1 Interpretations 2 Sixth Mascot 3 Colargol 4 Fair use rationale for Image:Friendlies Beibei.jpg 5 Fair use rationale for Image:Friendlies Huanhuan.jpg 6 Fair use rationale for Image:Friendlies Jingjing.jpg 7 Fair use rationale for Image:Friendlies Nini.jpg 8 Fair use rationale for Image:Friendlies Yingying.jpg 9 Political References

[edit] "Cultural analysis"

I suggest removal of this paragraph. It's full of original research which are totally pseudoscientific.

Support - This belongs in an article on Chinese Superstitions, if any, definitely not here given its original and pseudoscientific nature. Shiyang (talk) 04:39, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Oppose - We are reporting on superstitions that are in the common domain (not original research), and we are reporting this as a pseudoscientific concidence, not factl. Please sign your comments Kransky (talk) 08:28, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Kransky - the SMH article is unfortunately wrong, the train accident was in zibo, quite a stretch from weifang, which itself is a stretch to be associated with "the" kite city in China. These popular superstitions have no basis in wikipedia except maybe in a supersititons article of its own. Shiyang (talk) 20:53, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Interpretations

Fú is better translated as blessing or good fortune rather than auspiciousness (JíXiáng), while Wá may also carry the meaning of dolls. It's perhaps worth mentioning that they represent fire, water, air, earth and forests as well.

I know the official site translates "北京欢迎你 (Běijīng huānyíng nǐ)" as "Welcome to Beijing", but a more accurate translation would be "Beijing welcomes you[!]" Plus, it's more cuter, keeping in with how cute the Friendlies are! Axistence 13:27, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

The fuwa are being introduced as "little friends" (小伙伴), so I think "children" is more accurate that "dolls", although they do look very cute and cuddly =D

I'm not sure if they really do represent the Five Elements of Chinese philosophy, 金木水火土 (metal, wood, water, fire, earth). It was mentioned in a news article that the Five Elements were part of the inspiration, but they don't appear in the official descriptions of the five mascots. -- ran (talk) 23:35, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Can someone add the meaning of the characters in their names (贝, 晶, 欢, 迎, 妮)? Are they simply the "represented ideal" values? DenisMoskowitz 18:00, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

No, the five characters, when put together, sound like (but not entirely equivalent to) the phrase "Beijing Welcomes You". The five characters themselves are just "cute-looking" ones that were chosen to "feel" plausibly like the names of little kids. If you insist, the characters themselves mean "seashell", "radiant", "happy", "welcome", and "maid", but the meaning for the last one is completely obsolete and the character itself (妮) is used only for its phonetic value and its "female" radical nowadays, especially in names and such. So adding the meanings would be rather meaningless, if not misleading. -- ran (talk) 06:56, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you very much. DenisMoskowitz 00:49, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

The Official Mascot site takes a really long time to load. Can someone upload thier pictures to Wikipdeia? Wizrdwarts 00:02, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

I have just uploaded them. Someone experienced please verify if the fair use tag is appropriate. -- Felix Wan 02:06, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

They're adorable<3

[edit] Sixth Mascot

There is in fact a sixth mascot. [1]

Should it go here, or on the 2008 Summer Paralympics page?

[edit] Colargol

• They look exactly like Colargol [2], or Barnaby bear. Hektor (talk) 19:41, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Friendlies Beibei.jpg

Image:Friendlies Beibei.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 21:58, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Friendlies Huanhuan.jpg

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Friendlies Jingjing.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 21:59, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Friendlies Nini.jpg

Image:Friendlies Nini.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Friendlies Yingying.jpg

Image:Friendlies Yingying.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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[edit] Political References

This section was removed: "The Hong Kong Alliance in Support of Patriotic Democratic Movements in China group led by Szeto Wah have said the olympic slogan should be changed to "the same world, the same human rights, the same dream, vindication for the June 4 Tiananmen Square protest". And that the five Fuwa doll should represent democracy, freedom, human rights, the rule of law and peace.^[1]" Reason: The section does not seem relevant due to lack of notability. It was only a remark made during a campaign by one of the political parties in Hong Kong. The context of what was being said was simple rhetoric rather than an official statement or a serious request. It was a rather piece of obscure news that had little public support (though no one voiced their opposition either). On the other hand, if the Fuwas had actually caused offence and controversy, then the public reaction and remarks by the main political parties should be noted in this section. Clearly this was not the case, and it seems, at least to me, that whoever added this section did it with political bias in mind and not with the intent of contributing relevant information. 210.176.70.2 (talk) 02:27, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Are you implying the political reference of the dolls has less relevance than Sonic the Hedgehog video game? Benjwong (talk) 04:43, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Politics may have more significance, but certainly it has less relevance here. One should not confuse the two. Politics is not relevant to an article on the Fuwa. It is more relevant to articles about human rights and protests, and as such I have placed this information (which may be considered by some people to be important) on the Hong Kong Alliance in Support of Patriotic Democratic Movements in China page as well as the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 page instead. It is obvious that the inclusion of this so called "political reference" in a page dedicated to Olympic mascots (and is mainly viewed by children) is politically motivated, and Wikipedia is no place for political propaganda. If the party were making comments about the waste of national resources to develop and market the Fuwa, then it would have been a serious point worth including here under "Criticisms". Moreover, I have not seen sections called "political reference" in Wikipedia, while "cultural reference is a common section, meant to reference interesting trivia, such as the Mario and Sonic game. At least the game passes the notability test far better than slogans by a minor political party. 210.176.70.2 (talk) 07:32, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I see your point. I removed it out of the group's page but left it in the protest page. It is not the political group's slogan. Is like the olympic slogan. Benjwong (talk) 22:59, 5 June 2008 (UTC)