Talk:Fumblerooski
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[edit] Nebraska Football
It would not be appropriate, or necessary, to merge the fumblerooski article with Nebraska Football. While Nebraska pioneered the play, other teams used it from time to time while it was legal. I know of two times it was run against the University of Illinois. One was September 8, 1990, by the University of Arizona. The other was December 30, 1992, in the Holiday Bowl, by the University of Hawaii. On the latter occasion, the play was called back for Hawaii's failure to inform the referee in advance. Otherwise, it's quite possible that Hawaii's attempted fumblerooski would have been the last use of the play, contrary to what is in the current Wikipedia article.
Although the fumblerooski play was invented at Nebraska by Coach Osborne, other teams adopted and used it. It should therefore have a separate entry.
- And it should probably have another name. Even if Nebraska's name popularized it, it existed before that and was known as the "fake fumble" play for years. Daniel Case 19:21, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
- I agree. This particular trick play is notable enough to have its own article. Aplomado - UTC 16:08, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, don't merge this, and don't change its name just because Nebraska named it. It's been a couple months, so I'm removing the merge tag.--Mike Selinker 14:51, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
- It says it was banned in the NFL at the top, yet there is a description at the bottom talking about San Diego using it just recently (I even watched the came). Inconsistencies, or am I missing something?
I altered the phrase regarding the San Diego game to "fumblerooski variant." It was a play similar to the fumbelrooski (now banned) that did not involve placing the ball on the ground. --Macdaddy312 06:45, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
- I believe the offical name of the play that the Chargers ran was the "Bumarooski", named after former head coach Bum Phillips. [1] I'll make the change. If you disagree, change it back. Patken4 15:51, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
The last play in Little Giants was indeed a fumblerooski (called "Annexation of Puerto Rico" in the film), and should be cited as such. The fact that there were several intentional fumbles on the same play does not take away from the fact that it was a fumblerooski.
Multiple sources, including the ESPN article cited about the high school ban note that the fumblerooski is when the quarterback, not the center, deliberately places the football on the ground. Also see this article by Gregg Easterbrook explaining that the 2006 play involving the Chargers was not an actual fumblerooski: [2]
[edit] Used by Bo Schembechler in Michigan - Ohio State
I'm pretty sure Bo Schembechler used this play at least once in a Michigan-Ohio State game. Guanxi 21:10, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] "modern version"?
- A new variation of the fumblerooski was run by the University of Arkansas Razorbacks on October 7, 2006: the then-unranked Razorbacks used the trick play in their upset of the #2 ranked Auburn Tigers.[5] The smallest Razorback player—5’7” Reggie Fish—hid behind the line, out of sight of the Auburn defense, and the center handed him the ball by a direct snap as the QB ran a fake play. This was the first time a play like this had appeared in major college football.
If the key to the play is the intentional fumble by the QB so that an otherwise ineligible player can pick up the ball (I think that's the point of the "fumble", isn't it? This should be explained in the lead paragraph[s]) - if that's the main element of the play, how does a direct snap to a small player (assumedly an eligible one) which involves no intentional fumble a "modern version" of this play?
I see that the reference given mentions a modern version of the fumblerooski, but it doesn't explain the play. The explaination given here does not explain how the play in that game is related to the fumblerooski in any way. TheHYPO (talk) 01:46, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
