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[edit] Keith Van Horn
He's no longer a member of the Dallas Mavericks by God. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.20.213.217 (talk) 12:24, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Illegal Immigrants
The last edit done by an unspecified IP address was done by me (fm.illuminatus, while I was signed out). I changed the article back to "illegal immigrants" because some of the politically correct and purposely unspecific comments by users here designed to cover up the facts of the situation will not be tolerated. I live in Fullerton, a city that is being increasingly overrun by illegal immigrants, and just because a few of you would rather protect criminals than acknowledge the problem, doesn't mean I'm going to tolerate you covering up the truth. That specifically goes to "Shirley Ku". This is a forum about facts, not politically correct bullshit.
Hi, this is Shirley Ku. I also live in Fullerton. And while there may or may not be more illegal immigrants in Fullerton than there used to be, changing the sentence doesn't actually inform readers of the actual demographic shift, which is from a white/caucasian community to one with a greater percentage of asians and hispanics. And can you cite the fact where Fullerton is being overrun by illegal immigrants? B/c we can cite information from the U.S. Census that states that there are more hispanics and asians in 2005 than there were in 2000.
2005: White 49.3 Asian 22.5 Hispanic or Latino 32.1
2000: White 61.9 Asian 16.1 Hispanic or Latino 30.2 Shirley Ku 19:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
You're missing the issue, there is a population shift, but more LEGAL Hispanics and Asians are not a serious or contentious political issue. To top it off, that process (especially of Asians moving to Fullerton) has been happening for a while, more than just a few years. However, as a serious current political issue facing Fullerton, illegal immigrant crime and population growth is far more important than a minor demographic shift of Asians and legal Hispanics, who contribute to this city positively. Acting like it's just a minor migration of citizens and legal immigrants that is upsetting the political and economic situation is just intentionally misleading the reader from the real political and economic problems in the city, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT CRIMINALS. If you want to mention a demographic shift among legal immigrants that badly, do it in a different paragraph, and don't pretend it's a serious issue to distract the reader from the real problems facing Fullerton, illegal immigrants. When I have a chance, I will re-write the paragraph again. --Fm.illuminatus 09:21, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Other
Oops -- I did some possibly contentious edits while not logged in. That was me today :-) Wow, the stuff I changed was just wildly POV. --Bcrowell 03:50, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Troy High School
Someone left the following unsigned message for me on my talk page:
- Do you have something against Troy? It is a noteworthy accomplishment that Fullerton is home to a top-25 Newsweek high school. Any way you slice the metrics, it is still a notable achievement. I agree that we don't have to write in great detail about the school's prestige, etc. and that this is what the school's page is for. However, if we are to delete a stat related to civic pride, why shouldn't we delete "the area it is best known for its winning collegiate baseball program. In 2004 the CSUF Titans won their fourth NCAA Division I World Series" and merely state that CSUF is located in the city limits. The point of the Fullerton article is to give readers an introduction to fundamental aspects of the city's culture, demographics, educational system, history, etc. Part of this includes highlighting newsworthy successes.
If you go back through the edit history of this article, there's a long history of Troy enthusiasts adding promotional material about how great Troy is. That kind of stuff is inappropriate, in my opinion. I've also deleted the stuff about CSUF's athletic programs. The place for all this detail is the articles about the schools themselves.--Bcrowell 15:15, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
- While I agree the original description of Troy from months ago was ridiculous, I think a sentence or two establishing the notability of an institution is not inappropriate. Troy's national ranking is notable (and that's coming from a Sunny Hills family member). As currently written, there is no obvious reason why the city should "pride itself" on its schools—it becomes meaningless boosterism. I'd furthermore say that a single sentence mentioning CSUF's athletic reputation is quite appropriate as well, considering it's the only reason why anybody where I am (on the Eastern Seaboard) has heard of Fullerton (the same Fullerton as the baseball school?). I don't follow college baseball and wouldn't have mentioned it otherwise. Such mentions in passing are no different from, say, Torrance mentioning television shows taped at Torrance High School, and far more discrete than, say, Houston about its universities. - choster 16:54, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
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- IMO, this is all stuff that belongs in the schools' articles, not in the Fullerton article. If the reader wonders "the same Fullerton as the baseball school?," he can click on the link. If the reader wonders why Troy H.S. is worthy of community pride, he can click on the link.--Bcrowell 17:14, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Picture?
I live in Fullerton. Any suggestions on good subjects for pictures? Since it's a railroad town, a picture of the station would make sense, but I'm not sure where it can be photographed from so that it doesn't just look like a parking lot. The existence of a real downtown is distinctive for Orange County. Maybe a shot of some of the nice old architecture looking down Harbor, between Chapman and Commonwealth?--Bcrowell 14:38, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
- The downtown would be good. Maybe a photo from the bridge over the tracks would give a nice angle on the station.--Epolk 19:18, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Shawn Nelson, Mayor
Please help disambiguate the article shawn nelson in the infobox; I have temporarily changed it to S. Nelson to avoid putting a bad redirect to a deceased u.s. military article. SallyD1265 01:41, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Changed it back to Shawn Nelson but since I couldn't get rid of the link or find any wiki articles on him, I linked it to the Fullerton City Website.Shirley Ku 19:36, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Link Spam
While cleaning up the link spam from Bjimer I noticed that they added their links here back in January. Since it has been such a long time I will leave it up to the regular editors to decide if it should be kept. The edits in question are: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fullerton%2C_California&diff=104221176&oldid=103645116
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fullerton%2C_California&diff=next&oldid=104221176
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fullerton%2C_California&diff=prev&oldid=145367601
Mikemill 05:45, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Recent history
There is a proposal to develop the Coyote Hills area, the last undeveloped area in the city. This controversial issue has pitted local environmentalists and slow-growth activists (who argue that the city should seek state funding to buy the area and make into a park) against the pro-business and pro-growth City Council. There are also plans to build approximately 300 condominiums or apartments downtown, leading to more density.
This is poorly worded. Environmentalists and slow-growth proponents can be pro-business and pro-growth. If development and growth are done sustainably, there are many environmentalists who are OK with it. Building 300 residences downtown in an already developed area would also be supported as opposed to putting 300 houses of sprawl in an undeveloped area, especially if they're built using green building guidelines. There are also many businesses working to reduce their environmental impact, so I don't see how environmentalists would be opposed to their existence. As it's worded though, the impression I get is that the environmentalists and slow-growth proponents are anti-business and anti-growth, which doesn't even make sense since slow-growth obviously would still allow growth. And why are they called "activists" on here? Why not also call the City Council rapid-growth activists or pro-sprawl activists if you're going to use the word? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.146.239 (talk) 08:43, August 30, 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Fullertonseal2.gif
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[edit] Back and Forth edits to Nickname = fulas
What is with this "Nickname" being added and removed over and over?
Please provide some form of reference or justification for the "nickname" of the city being "fulas"
If no reference or reason can be cited, I suggest that this page be locked for a time to stop the back and forth changes. OChistory (talk) 06:11, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
I live in Fullerton and I've never heard it called "Fulas" but I'll ask some teens I know and see if it's a young person thing. Shirley Ku (talk) 19:09, 11 March 2008 (UTC) A brief internet search shows that it's a nickname used by primarily hispanics? I did ask some teens and they had never heard of it though. ie http://13radicalriders14.blogspot.com/2005/08/your-town-moniker.html Shirley Ku (talk) 23:15, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
