Talk:Full Tilt Poker

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Regarding the picture, I think that it's inappropriate as there's sexual innuendos going on in the chat. Can I replace the picture with something more appropriate? Yoryx 19:56, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Lighten up. Deepfryer99 23:45, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 Gambling or not? 2 Jerry Yang 3 Company 4 Times Links 404 Error

[edit] Gambling or not?

According to the television commercials and the web site, Full Tilt Poker is not a gambling site. However, it is noted in several entries on Wikipedia as being a gambling site. Can anyone verify either of these? Also, what is defined as gambling in this sense? Does any card game site qualify as a "gambling" site since the players could theoretically place off line bets with each other based on the outcome of the game? --Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 07:47, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

The commercials are for fulltiltpoker.net, a free site, no money, no gambling. The article primarily deals with fulltiltpoker.com, a real money site (that also has free games). 2005 08:35, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

This distinction should be made, especially with the prevalence of Full Tilt's advertising campaigns on poker television shows. I'm trying to figure an clear, yet unobtrusive way to work this into the article, and if anyone can beat me to the punch on that, feel free, as my table is pretty full right now and it may be a little bit before that happens.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 07:53, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I've added a section on advertising relating to the free play site. --User:Ringo6624 13:35, 02 February 2007

Full Tilt Poker is not a gambling website. This applies to both the free site and the real money site. Poker is a game of skill, and is therefore NOT gambling, according to most generally accepted definitions of "gambling". Deepfryer99 23:36, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes poker is a game of skill, but it still is gambling which can be defined as "wagering money or something of material value on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning additional money and/or material goods", for example if you were to go all-in pre-flop with pocket Aces in NL Hold'em odds are you will win against another random hand but that is no way a guarantee thus the uncertain outcome. poker becomes a skilled game based on tactics, patience, and observation among many things, but there is and always be a degree of luck, be it good or bad.▪◦▪≡ЅiREX≡^Talk 23:52, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Just pointing out that, based on that definition, endevaours such as business and investing of many forms would be considered gambling. --Sesameball^Talk 02:52, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

And basically you can take that view, but as the gambling article points out, society general doesn't view it that way, but rather would include some statement to the effect of "game, contest or sporting event". In any event, poker obviously is a gambling game, even if it is agreed skill predominates. 2005 03:05, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

There's no "view" to "take". Investing falls squarely under that proposed definition. Of course, that is not to say that social norms (not to mention legislation) will be the predominant relevant determination. To me, investing is obviously a gambling game as well. --Sesameball^Talk 23:24, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

According to that definition, even things like buying a house or accepting a job offer could be considered gambling. I think your definition may be flawed... after all, the outcome of everything in the world is "uncertain". I just think that the use of the word "gambling" is questionable in this context, and it may be better to use a word like "wagering" or "betting", which are much more appropriate and relevant to the game of poker. Deepfryer99 21:44, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

It's a standard definition, and yes you can take it to mean anything in life is a gamble. Another definition is "the voluntary risking of a sum of money on the outcome of a game or other event" which may be a better way to state it here. We are talking about gambling games, rather than those things in life that are not games but also "a gamble" like running a cross a busy street. 2005 23:37, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Just because it's a bet on a game of skill doesn't mean it's not gambling. I can place a bet on a shuffleboard match, a football game, a golf match, or a game of pool, and it's still gambling. And those are all games of skill. The definition of gambling isn't flawed. The word "gambling" means what it means. It's the betting that makes it gambling, not the skill or lack of skill involved. Rray 00:25, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jerry Yang

What exactly is the point of the Jerry Yang bit? What does it mean he's a "friend" of the site? I'm guessing somebody meant to put something like Jerry Yang uses Full Tilt Poker as his online poker site, but then if so it'll need sourced. --212.84.123.161 01:01, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Watch the WSOP 2007. There's your source.Yoryx 19:53, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Company

Can someone get more information about the company? Specifically, I'm wondering where they are based out of? Probably some small island in the middle of the ocean, but it would be nice to know for sure. Deepfryer99 23:45, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Full Tilt was developed and marketed by Tiltware, LLC which was originally based in Los Angeles, California (see launch press release) and operated by Kolyma Corporation which is based in Aruba (where online casinos are legal) with licensing by Canada's Kahnawake Gaming Commission.[1] Tiltware moved to Dublin, Ireland in 2006 after the Internet Gambling Prohibition Act was passed. [2] --Sesameball^Talk 03:06, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

1. The Internet Gambling Prohibition Act was never passed, instead a law similar to it was passed in the Safe Port Act. Also they moved to Dublin in around August, while the Safe Port Act / UIGEA was passed in September 2006 Strongsauce 12:00, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the correction. I had read on a few sites that the move was "in response" to the Safe Port Act, although that language doesn't neessarily mean it was after the legislation had passed. --Sesameball^Talk 18:22, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Information like where they operate, and who licenses them, belong in the article. 198.70.210.20 (talk) 09:26, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Does anyone know what Full Tilt is worth, their income, operating expenses and stock symbol? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.242.230.162 (talk) 20:33, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

They are a private company so have no stock symbol, and don't declare those various details. 2005 (talk) 01:10, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Times Links 404 Error

Notes links 1 and 3 point to Times website articles but if you click them you get a 404 error. Does anyone have an updated link to these articles?