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Contents 1 Budget 2 Pronunciation guide 3 Bitte - nicht so schnell 4 Just an observation: 5 Just a thought 6 Another town nearby 7 What do you call citizens of this town? 8 Sign photo 9 POV complaint 10 The word "FUCK" has entered the European vocabulary universally. It crosses all borders and is accepted as a curse as it's intended in English. 11 names to be mentioned 12 suffix ing 13 Honorable Mention 14 This is weasely 15 Proposed pictures 16 The redirect fucking is being discussed. 17 Reverse 18 How far? 19 Semi-protection 20 Village website doesn't Fucking work? 21 The correct use of the F word

[edit] Budget

From the article: Most of Fucking's budget is spent on replacing the stolen signs. - Isn't that an exaggeration? Town budgets are not that low nowadays, there is a lot to be paid from them. Andre Engels 12:55, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I checked on the internet, and it seems to be an exaggeration indeed. It seems to come from a statement by the village's mayor that much (rather than most) of the village's budget is spent on this. They also give more precise numbers: The signs are stolen on a rate of slightly more than one sign a month, and they cost "several hundred dollars" apiece. Andre Engels 13:03, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)

The actual flaw in the story is that Fucking is just a village, which belongs to the municipality of Tarsdorf. It doesn't have its own mayor, administration or budget. Martg76 15:16, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Pronunciation guide

The pronunciation guide still looks very odd to me ( ˈfʊkɪŋ]), there has to be a more elegant way to do this? I'm using Mozilla. Mark Richards 02:23, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)

What about this: »Fucking /ˈfʊkɪŋ/ is a small settlement...« This is the shortest and most elegant way. Using the right browser isn't enough; install the fonts! (apt-get install defoma xfonts-intl-phontetic) — Hokanomono 08:01, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I still can't make sense of that, and don't think that we should be designing pages that can't be read without downloading special fonts. Sorry! Mark Richards 16:12, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)

We do that regularly, though. See Japan or South Korea or Pythagoras or Zion or Osama bin Laden. — mendel ☎ 16:16, Apr 2, 2004 (UTC)

Pythagoras, Zion and Osama bin Laden look ok, but Japan and South Korea look messed up. If it's actually another language then that's one thing, and not having those language fonts included are going to mess it up, but why generate more of these cases just for pronunciation, which we can do without it? It just looks ugly, and I bet I'm not the only one who doesn't have these fonts. Mark Richards 16:34, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I have to agree 100%. There is absolutley no point in putting in this pronunciation guide if it is unreadable and utterly useless for the majority of readers (which includes me) Mintguy (T) 18:12, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC) BTW I can read Japan and South Korea fine, because I have loaded all the standard international fonts using Microsoft Windows update . I have no idea what font is being used for this pronunciation guide, but it isn't part of the standard package Mintguy (T) 18:14, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I don't understand the problem at all. Please, can you show me a screenshot of it? You don't have to pronounce it correctly, but why not provide information to those who want it? IPA is the best tool for that purpose and it's what dictionaries use, worldwide. IPA glyphs are part of the Unicode standard. Tell MS that at least you want to be able to read wikipedia for the money you pay them. — Hokanomono 22:05, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)

It would be nice if we could keep uncommon fonts etc to places where they are strictly necessary, for backwards browser compatability if nothing else. I would hazard a guess that many people coming here do not have these fonts installed, and there is no explanation on the main page that you may need them to make sense of the content - it just looks like a rendering error if you don't know what's going on. Thanks! Mark Richards 23:23, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Would it be apropos to mention it displays perfectly in Mozilla Firefox, on Windows NT 4 and on FreeBSD, and also to point out that MS has already declared IE abandonware? We can hardly freeze the web at late 2001, when IE6 came out - David Gerard 23:29, Apr 2, 2004 (UTC)

It's a font thing, not a browser thing. Many people do not like to load extra fonts, for the very good reason that the more fonts you load, the slower and less stable your system gets. Non-standard fonts are a very good thing to avoid wherever you can. Tannin

You sure it's a font thing? That's Firefox onto a default install of NT 4. - David Gerard 23:37, Apr 2, 2004 (UTC)

Sorry, I can't read that. I get " /ˈfʊkɪŋ/ ". I am using Mozilla on Windows 98. Mark Richards 23:35, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)

You may not be able to read it, but it cut'n'pasted as the proper characters when you put it there just now, so your browser understands it but doesn't have the font to hand ... - David Gerard 23:44, Apr 2, 2004 (UTC)

I'm sure it would be appropriate, I hate M$, don't use IE etc etc, but a lot of the world still does use it, and we still have a lot of things (like the 32k page thing) that are for backwards compatability. It just seems like there are easier ways to indicate pronunciation than asking most users to install new fonts. Perhaps I'm very old fashioned. ;) Mark Richards 23:34, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I have just emailed the wikien-l mailing list asking for guidance on this issue, and referring people to this talk page - David Gerard 23:45, Apr 2, 2004 (UTC)

Great - also, so far as I can determine, we are recommending that it is pronounced like 'looking' - isn't it more like 'luck-ing'? Am I missing something? Thanks! Mark Richards 00:25, 3 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I think it is pronounced more like 'look' than 'luck'. I speak German, but I don't know anybody from Fucking. In German u is almost always pronounced similar 'oo' as in 'look'. (If you want to learn more about it, see German pronunciation#Short Vowels.) — Hokanomono 07:52, 3 Apr 2004 (UTC)

In Britain at least, looking is pronounced in a wide variety of ways. In RP the 'oo' sound is clipped (can't think of a suitable example perhaps foot) whilst in some parts of the north of England the "oo" sound in looking and cooking is drawn out as in the word "woo" or "boot". I believe that this is how Fucking is pronounced. Mintguy (T)

It seems I don't know how to pronounce english :( Thanks for the explaination. IPA is useful. — Hokanomono 09:19, 3 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I don't see any particular problem with the article as it is. SAMPA is there for the majority of people like me who don't have an IPA font. I don't think it's particularly necessary to have the IPA as well, but I wouldn't remove it. How about shuffling it around so most people see a valid pronunciation guide before a bunch of boxes?

Fucking (pronounced ["fUkIN] SAMPA, [ˈfʊkɪŋ] IPA) is a small settlement....

I took out "FOO-king". Three pronunciation guides is a bit excessive. Note, in my example I've changed the SAMPA link to a more useful one. But, I don't have any real problem with the article as it is, this is just a suggestion. I'm a bit disturbed by all the browser/OS snobbery in this discussion, think of all the people using workplace/school computers who don't have the right to change their systems by downloading fonts and alternative browsers. fabiform | talk 11:09, 3 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Great. I support your suggestion. — Hokanomono | talk ~~

I predeict tat there will be a stream of people who will be confused by the boxes and will either come here querying it or will just edit it out of the article. Mintguy (T)

Most users see boxes in articles about Chinise/Japanese/Russian etc subjects, where names are given in the original language. They don't edit those out. fabiform | talk 10:13, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)

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Quick solution to the font problem: Set your font to Arial Unicode.

The WikiEN-L post saying so is here. This post outlines broader solutions which really belong in the MediaWiki code itself.

However, if it's a matter as simple as selecting Arial Unicode, I see no reason not to continue using IPA symbols just as if they were proper Unicode entities. Which they are. - David Gerard 08:42, Apr 4, 2004 (UTC)

I wish I had this font. fabiform | talk 10:13, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)

General information about the font. Supplied with Microsoft Office 2000, FrontPage 2000, Office XP and Publisher 2002 [1] - that page has other downloadable Unicode fonts for Windows. Any respectable Unicode font should have these characters. Here is another place to download something called "Arial Unicode" - I would be interested to know if this is sufficiently complete. (This was a few minutes' work with Google.) - David Gerard 12:30, Apr 4, 2004 (UTC)

I don't think that Arial Unicode includes the IPA as it's not listed under the ranges (whereas it's listed on the Arial Unicode MS page). I have downloaded a unicode font which includes the IPA, but it was rough and ready, and not what I want for my default font. fabiform | talk 14:06, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Oooh, I found it on sourceforge (this includes the IPA).  :) [2] fabiform | talk 14:42, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)

What if you just install the font, but don't set it as your default font. Shouldn't the browser automatically manage to use the font containing the characters it needs? — Hokanomono 18:03, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Well, that seemed to be the case with some of the foreign alphabets (Russian, Chinese etc) after I installed the first unicode font and then switched back to Times New Roman as my default (i.e these still displayed OK). But it didn't work with the IPA, those characters became boxes again. I think it may be grouped in with other Latin characters or something. I don't really know though. fabiform | talk 18:27, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Please try again, i set the font for the IPA string. — Hokanomono 20:20, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)

That worked for me and I've never downloaded any fonts (Using IE on WinXP). Rmhermen 20:33, Apr 4, 2004 (UTC)

At last, I can read it. Well done. Mintguy (T)

That looks great! Thanks a lot folks, Mark Richards 15:36, 10 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I thought the article was just another piece of vandalism when I found it. It was actually a real place name but someone had removed all the text, so now I've reinstated the text and had a little talk to them. Scott Gall 04:46, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Bitte - nicht so schnell

The sign in the picture is particularly funny in combination with the children saying "Bitte - nicht so schnell". Do I have a dirty mind because of the mental picture it gives me? =) — JIP | Talk 10:08, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

What happened to the "Bitte - nict so schnell" sign? Is the combination of "Please, not so fast!" with "Fucking" even too much for Austrians? Rlquall 00:01, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean with "even too much for Austrians"? ;p —Nightstallion (?) ^{Seen this already?} 12:15, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

A photo of that sign (or one like it) can be found here (warning: site has popunder ads). --anon. 162.83.145.173 (talk) 17:54, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

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"...(or possibly as more obscene as it is almost never used figuratively), is ficken."

I don't see the link between figurative use & degree of obscenity. Any thoughts?

• I think the difference is what the obscene word is intended to mean. Foe example: "Your sister is so ugly I wouldn't fuck her if she paid me for it" is literal obscenity but "Don't fuck with me, boy, I'm an expert" is figurative obscenity. — JIP | Talk 21:02, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Just an observation:

If the metal traffic sign keeps getting stolen, why not replace it with masonry or concrete? Bobak 00:07, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

this is not allowed by law in austria -193.171.251.179 11:23, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

They have just set the signs in concrete, because 24 were stolen.--andreasegde (talk) 22:25, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Just a thought

r the inhabitants of this place called fuckers

[place witty retort here] -- Bobak 19:45, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I believe they would be called "Fuckingers" Laplie 14:45, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Rather Fuckinger, singular and plural. —Nightstallion (?) 10:49, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Another town nearby

Looking at a map of the region, there is also a nearby town called "Tittmoning". Perhaps that should be mentioned in the article too. --Salsa man 20:23, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

• Why...? PureLegend 19:27, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

There's also a town named "Windpassing" in Austria. I heard there's a place called "Wank am see", "Petting". "Vomitville", etc. in Austria too.

• I'm willing to believe the first three, but I'm not buying "Vomitville." Freshacconci 22:59, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

There is a little town in Saskatchewan, Canada called Climax.....perhaps a sister community?? (1 Sep 07) mg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.198.87.176 (talk) 15:15, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

There are many jokes about the name of the town of Intercourse, Pennsylvania, including the suggestion that it form a sister city relationship with Fucking, Austria. To boot, there is a Pussy, France and a Clit, Romania and a Little Dicks, Scotland. Tim129.93.65.41 (talk) 03:14, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] What do you call citizens of this town?

Fucking Australians. The Wookieepedian 06:29, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Correction: Fucking Austrians. --Howard the Duck 14:08, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Nah, he was correct before. oTHErONE _(Contribs) 07:26, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

F***. lol --Howard the Duck 11:19, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I was trying to make a lame joke or something... oTHErONE _(Contribs) 01:43, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

The citiziens are called "Fuckinger" (pronouncation of the "u" like the "u" in "put"). --84.73.21.242 18:38, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

* I would prefer the term 'Fuckers'! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.70.235.8 (talk) 21:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

Guys we better stop before this gets too much attention and ends up getting deleted.203.218.26.240 14:29, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree with calling them fuckers, alternatives could be fuckwits or fuckheads. Seriously, what a stupid fucking name for a place!YourPTR! 14:50, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

When a place was named way before Modern English was invented...88.105.78.200 (talk) 19:08, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sign photo

Y'know, if someone could get a high res photo of the town sign, I can all but guarantee it would probably be a shoo-in for featured picture. Badbilltucker 22:04, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Is the current picture of the old sign or the new, theft-proofed one? It might be interesting to have pictures of both. 83.95.110.236 22:12, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] POV complaint

The focus of this article on the humorous associations of the name for English-speakers is an appalling example of abusing one culture by viewing it through the perspective of another. Some of the overtly racist remarks above show that an extremely problematic attitude lies behind this. If it is true (and can be verified) that loutish behaviour by visiting English-speakers have proved a problem for the people of this village, then I suppose that needs to be mentioned as a footnote somewhere, but at present the reader has the impression that the most important thing about this place is the amusement its name causes when viewed through English eyes, and that is entirely unacceptable. --Doric Loon 10:10, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

OK, I have now changed this, and I would ask you please not to revert it. Against my better judgment, I've left the references, which will allow easy access to the tabloid treatment of this, and I've left the cross-reference to "fuck" in case anyone doesn't understand the potential for punning. That's already more than is justified in an article on the village. If you really want to write this stuff up in full and sordid detail, I suggest you start a page on racist humour, and add a cross-reference from here to there. --Doric Loon 10:17, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Relax, dude. I understand where you are coming from, we do have to watch out for our biases, and I think most of your edit is fine. However, you have to remember that a lot of attention has been focused on this place because of the associations of its name for English speakers. I think it's safe to say that a large proportion of people who are familiar with the village are so only because of the "funny name". It may be infantile humour, but Wikipedia cannot simply ignore it or minimise it. — Matt Crypto 10:43, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, Matt, I've nothing against infantile humour (can be pretty earthy myself when I'm in the mood) but it's a different matter altogether when the humour is at another culture's expense. Of course I agree with you that if there's an issue out there in the world, Wiki has to report it, which is why I didn't remove all trace of the issue. But it should be handled carefully: the remarks about "fucking Austrians" further up this page make it clear that some people working here are enjoying this for the wrong reasons. IF we mention that some people find the name amusing, we need also to mention that others see in this amusement serious issues of inter-cultural respect. And it should be kept brief: at most it should be a footnote to an article on the place, and the main body of the article should have the usual data (history, maps, coats of arms, population statistics, administration, whatever) which other articles on central European places have, to show we are serious about reporting the place first and foremost as the community it is. --Doric Loon 11:36, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid I'll have to disagree. We report on human knowledge, and we have to weight our report based on what place the topic has in human knowledge. Are there lots of people in the world protesting about inter-cultural respect with regards to Fucking, Austria? Maybe there should be, but I don't think there are, so we cannot include it. We can agree that Fucking is famous outside of its locality solely because of its name. A good article will reflect that, and we cannot make it just a footnote. You may think that Anglocentric and disrespectful of other people's cultures, but I see that as an inescapable property of the knowledge we're documenting, and not Wikipedia's responsibility. — Matt Crypto 11:56, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Well yes, there ARE people apart from me who find this disrespectful and offensive - the articles cited at the bottom of the page indicate pretty well that the local population don't like this. You won't find equal numbers if you pit the population of Fucking against the population of the English-speaking world, but that is not the point when we are talking about balance. As for your idea that the flippant way this is dealt with in the article is an "inescapable property of the knowledge", that is clearly nonsense, since I would deal with it differently and can therefore escape! (And I never suggested we don't mention the issue, remember!) My problem is with the sensationalist approach, and that is a property of the reporting, and absolutely Wikipedia's responsibility. --Doric Loon 13:41, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

It's not "clearly nonsense" if the way you would deal with it is incorrect. — Matt Crypto 13:48, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Doric, you are a complete loon! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.243.60.11 (talk) 01:34, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The word "FUCK" has entered the European vocabulary universally. It crosses all borders and is accepted as a curse as it's intended in English.

The word "FUCK" is part of the European vocabulary and probably just about everywhere in the world and is understood as a curse just as it's intended in English. The spread of the use of the word is probably due to it's copious use in American films which are distributed all over the world. The smartest thing the residents of Fucking, Austria cold do is to capatilze on the name and sell all manner of goods (including signs)with their official name on them. If they can't accept the change of the common vocabulary with good nature (and become famous n their own rite), their only alternative is to change their name. 1Z JEEPN 16:05, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Hell yeah! They should cash in on it! I can see it now... postcards and t-shirts reading "Greetings from Fucking Austria!" --Candy-Panda 04:50, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I think that the funniest would be (e.g.) "A friend of mine went to Austria and all I got was this [picture of Fucking sign] T-shirt". :D 193.122.47.170 16:45, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

It's only a tiny village, remember. But yes, of course, this article is heavily weighted towards its name and probably wouldn't even exist otherwise.--h i s ^{s p a c e} _{r e s e a r c h} 21:18, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] names to be mentioned

dildo, USA

dildo, labrador, canada the original dildo! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.51.228.96 (talk) 01:29, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Tittybong, Australia

Wherethefuckarewe, Australia

Inaloo, Australia

dickwood drive, wich goes into fanny bay, Australia

i know they are not austrain but i find them funy--Chinflaps 01:51, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Also worth mentioningL Intercourse (Pennsylvania, USA), Condom in France. itsme (talk) 20:18, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] suffix ing

I thought the primary meaning of the suffix ing was descendant, rather than people. —Tamfang 08:28, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Honorable Mention

noting the other odd town names, i think one that is in line very specifically with the name of this town that should be mentioned is Intercourse, Pennsylvania. i'll add it in, if anyone has objections to it, by all means, feel free to remove it.

never mind, after reading the other mentioned names and their origins (and specifically because they're other languages with specific connotations in english) i decided against adding intercourse.

[edit] This is weasely

"A similar phenomenon can be attributed to Bavarian places such as Kissing and Petting, although less outside attention is paid due to less obscene names" - This line implicitly assumes that the name of the town in question is obscene, which is an apalling example of bias by English speaking members. Amit 03:25, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Whatever language you're using here is remarkably similar to English. -- Craigtalbert 14:41, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed pictures

I recently visited Fucking and took some pictures. For some strange reason, I cannot find the picture I took of the entry sign by itself. It's possible I was dehydrated and simply forgot.

Please go to my picassa/google web album and vote for which pics you'd like to see here. Leave comments here.

These are licensed to Google, but I have the originals which I will GPL upon uploading here (I do hope that works). --Otheus 17:58, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Fucking marvellous. Nice one.--andreasegde (talk) 22:40, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The redirect fucking is being discussed.

Click here to join the discussion. TheBlazikenMaster 13:36, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

P.s. This message has been added to five pages related to this term so there will be real discussion. TheBlazikenMaster 13:36, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reverse

Are that and places that are like this in reverse. I.e. that are innocuous in English but something extremely rude in another language? I'm sure there must be dozens. Jooler 15:30, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree .

Words & names that are innocent in one language maybe volger in another and in reverse .

And you most probably find examples in any 2 language pairs .Richardson j 04:46, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How far?

In "half an hour's ride from Petting in Bavaria", is that at normal horse speed, or maximum-driven horse speed, or bicycle speed, or motorcycle speed, or what? Best state distance in kilometers or miles. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:49, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

It's in the velocity of the airspeed of an unladen swallow. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.114.225.181 (talk) 00:49, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Is that an African swallow or a European swallow?67.150.121.10 (talk) 03:57, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

It's a fucking swallow from Fucking that doesn't fucking swallow, if you get my meaning. How far can you hop when you're fucking fucking all the way to Fucking?--andreasegde (talk) 22:34, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Semi-protection

Due to the article's name, it is susceptible to vandalism, and for this reason, I think it should be indefinitely semi-protected. Æetlr Creejl 20:07, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

The only reason it is here is because of its name. What to do? I don't fucking know.--andreasegde (talk) 22:38, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Village website doesn't Fucking work?

I've tried visiting this village's web site, and Firefox gave me an error that the address request was being redirected in a way that would never complete.

I thought my broadband provider was blocking this site due to false-posiviting on the URL; but I've now tried again, on an open wireless network with a different provider, and got the same message.

Does anyone know what's wrong? 86.146.93.209 (talk) 15:49, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The correct use of the F word

IMO, those fucking fuckers from Fucking are fucking fucking a lot, and that is the reason they should be called the fucking fuckers from fucking Fucking. In fact, if anyone has been fucking fucked by a fucking fucker from fucking Fucking, they might consider themselves as fucking happy. If anyone can not see the humour in this, they should get out more... :)--andreasegde (talk) 22:30, 8 June 2008 (UTC)