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[edit] This is awkward=
Fuck, it seems should not have a definition on wikipedia... I say its vulgar and has no definition except (appologies) to say "Go fuck yourself" or "motherfucker", or even "I fucked her" its not really anthing that deservs a wiki page.. thanx 75.108.171.234 (talk) 19:00, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
- Considering that the media often has an eye on it (or a patch over it), and it is in many ways a historically prominent term and something of a measure between the lines of censorship and permissiveness, I'd say it's a pretty good subject. Especially in an encyclopedia that looks at things in such an open way and without direct commercial restraints. Who is like God? (talk) 11:46, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
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- That is just your opinion. Fortunately, Wikipedia does not support censorship. It is a frequently-used word! plus, having a legitimate entry removed just because some dude finds it unpleasent is just wrong. --~Magnolia Fen (talk) 16:01, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Audio File Removal
I removed and audio file because its content did not match its caption. It is a comedy routine. Not a verifiable history of the word fuck. Furthermore it greatly encouraged the use of the word. I’m no expert but I would say that puts the speaker’s neutrality into question.
[edit] Portuguese translation
I guess it would be interesting add to the article that fuck in portuguese is fuder (verb), foda (noun), fudido / fudida (as in "fucked") :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.193.253.60 (talk) 08:19, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Fuck is the most used english word in history!!!
[edit] Also...
Many years ago, at a boarding school I attended, amongst the many books we had there was a red spine copy of a (IIRC) Collins dictionary which contained under the entry [no pun intended] 'Fuck' the second meaning was something to the effect of "Old word meaning tobacco". Perhaps there is some link also to the word shag? There is an lovely old pub outside of Latimer that used to have [may still do, sadly have not been there in a while] old jars on the windowsill labeled "Rough Shag", "Smooth Shag" and "Mixed Shag", this was always a chuckle. 01:21 & 01:22, 13 January 2008 User:194.204.119.67
[edit] Merger Proposal
- It seems like the History of the word fuck contains mostly extraneous trivia, which could all be deleted under WP policy. The parts of value should be merged into the core article, Fuck, as a separate history section. Parts of what is actually in the History article could probably be rolled into a Modern Cultural Uses section, rather than history, anyway. --SilyOlPooh (talk) 02:43, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
- support - the "history" article seems to be pretty much rubbish, I wasn't even aware of it until now. - Ugliness Man (talk) 03:48, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
- support per nom. Rpresser (talk) 15:09, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
- I suspect that page History of the word 'fuck' was split off page Fuck because page Fuck had become too big. Same as that page Frogman got too big and had to be split. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:36, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] F.u.c.k
This is an acronym used in the 16th century by the British House of Lords when describing the act of Rape. The acronym is extrapelated from the term "For Un-consented Carnal Knowledge.24.146.12.109 (talk) 15:54, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
- That's an urban legend, mentioned in the "false etymologies" section.-Wafulz (talk) 16:12, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Common alternatives?
To me, the "Common alternatives" section is a bit much, and does not really add much to the meaning or history of the term. Does it really need to ramble on with so much? Just an opinion. :-P
72.213.129.138 (talk) 03:02, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
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- It certainly seems to have become an "every alternative I could find" section, not just the truly common ones. I don't think anyone could reasonably argue that "Belgium", "Smeg", "Gorram" or "Drokk" are common alternatives. I'd go so far as to put them in the trivia category, rather than appropriate to the core article at all. --SilyOlPooh (talk) 13:40, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Alternatives in Pop. Culture
It should be noted that in the HBO series "Flight of the Conchords" the characters often use the term "flip" instead of "fuck" and there is a song entitled "Mother *Uckers" which pokes fun at censorship of the word. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.57.109.141 (talk • contribs)
[edit] French translation
The French word foutre is an approximate translation to "fuck" or "copulate". It was commonly used as an interjection during the French Revolution, and often printed in some newspapers of this period. [what is the reference for this statement?]
It is sometimes used in the passive participle adjectival form foutu(e) = broken for a thing or fucked for a person. In this form it is usually not considered vulgar. It is used in a variety of vulgar meanings: "va the faire foutre "="Fuck you", or "j'en ai rien a foutre "="I don't give a shit/fuck", "je fous ça où?"="where the fuck do I put this", "qu'est-ce que tu fous ?"="what the fuck are you doing?". The word foutre is also often understood as a vulgar version of "sperm".
- Literally:
- "va te faire foutre" = "Go to fuck yourself" [intimate / impolite singular]
- "j'en ai rien a foutre" = "I have nothing of it to fuck"
- "je fous ça où?" = "I fuck that where?"
- "qu'est-ce que tu fous?" = "What is it that are you fucking?" [intimate / impolite singular]
- Anthony Appleyard (talk) 07:31, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Dubious
- I find it very dubious that the term "Holy fuck" has ever been seriously applied to refer to any religious sexual act. I suggest removing the statement, along with its accompanying reference, from the article. Silly rabbit (talk) 22:58, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
- Its in the reference. From memory something to do with have sex with an orixá in Brazil. I have heard it used about tantra in the same manner, and as a general adjective for good sex, although I cannot provide any references.
- Whether it is notable enough, the wiki really needs it, its in the right place, or that fansite material should take priority ... its someone else's call. But I would say that at least the reference should stay to support general use. --Lucyintheskywithdada (talk) 02:19, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Citation needed
- "Fuck is not widely used in politics, and because of this[citation needed], any use by notable politicians tends to produce controversy."
- Is this a joke? Do you need a citation to say the sky is blue now? 38.98.223.57 (talk) 08:46, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
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- kind of... yes. Hohohahaha (talk) 01:25, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
- "Because of this" makes a non-obvious relation. For example, the assertion draws the following question or critique: "Does fuck really draw controversy in politics because it's not commonly used in the context, or does it produce the controversy because groups consider it vulgar, rude, or politically incorrect?" Who is like God? (talk) 06:26, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] For Gods Sake
I always heard it was an abbreviation of "for Gods sake", "fuck sake".
ThisMunkey (talk) 19:29, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
- That doesn't even work linguistically. John Reaves 19:48, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] The primary use - not occasional
The primary use of the word is an expletive infix. The article says that use is occasional. The meaning as sex is widely understood but by far the secondary use of it.
ThisMunkey (talk) 09:29, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
- Supply a published source with supporting statistics on the relative frequency of various uses and we'll consider your assertion. --Rpresser 18:18, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
- I doubt this is true. Granted it is prevalent in expletive infixation, so are many other words and I personally here it used by itself far more often. John Reaves 18:22, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
- I would put it in but I dont know where a good reference to that would exist. John, youre saying you doubt thats true but granted that is the case XD.. I'll have to buy some of the online dictionaries.
ThisMunkey (talk) 21:58, 28 February 2008 (UTC)- Alan Dundes probably wrote about it. (Also, please try to be more respectful toward other editors - laughing at them using emoticons isn't at all polite). Fuzzform (talk) 08:06, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
- Doesn't look like he's laughing at me, then again his reply doesn't really make sense. John Reaves 13:05, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
- I said you double negatived (its not true but it is)
ThisMunkey (talk) 12:23, 2 March 2008 (UTC)- Keep in mind "expletive infix" refers to the insertion of an interjection within a word (as in "abso-fucking-lutely"). Regardless, pointing out it can be used in that specific way (not to mention how often that happens) in the main definition is out of place. Remember also that this isn't the Wiktionary. Listing exact usage forms is a task for the dictionary, not an encyclopedia, which needs to put the use and function of the term in a general but concrete overview related to any relevant subjects. Who is like God? (talk) 11:46, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
- Um John didn't make a double negative. He said he doubt it's true (and so do I). He conceded it is prevalent in expletive infixation, but so are many other words and that more importantly, it's used by itself far more often (which is almost definitely true, indeed I've never head expletive infixes used at all in real life but I've heard fuck a lot). In case you still don't get it, you claimed it's primary usage is as a expletive infix but even if fuck is prevalent as a expletive infix (which may or may not be true), the fact that expletive infixs are relatively rare, and people use fuck so much more in other contexts (fuck you, fuck off, what the fuck? fuckers, that's fucking hilarious, your comment was fucking dumb, who the fuck do you think I am? that's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard etc etc) means you're almost definitely wrong. Nil Einne (talk) 21:35, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- I said you double negatived (its not true but it is)
- Doesn't look like he's laughing at me, then again his reply doesn't really make sense. John Reaves 13:05, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
- Alan Dundes probably wrote about it. (Also, please try to be more respectful toward other editors - laughing at them using emoticons isn't at all polite). Fuzzform (talk) 08:06, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
- I would put it in but I dont know where a good reference to that would exist. John, youre saying you doubt thats true but granted that is the case XD.. I'll have to buy some of the online dictionaries.
- I doubt this is true. Granted it is prevalent in expletive infixation, so are many other words and I personally here it used by itself far more often. John Reaves 18:22, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] OED Etymology update
New details about OED's research on the origins of the word are available here:
An excerpt:
| “ | The history begins in murky circumstances. The previous edition of the OED found the verb at the beginning of the sixteenth century, in texts which (for bibliographical reasons) now need to be redated to the middle of the sixteenth century. Nevertheless, this is a term about which scholars have made significant discoveries in recent years, and it is now possible to reassert an early sixteenth century date, with indications that the word is earlier.
The earliest evidence found so far is in Latin, and comes from a manuscript presumably written in England and dating from 1500 or slightly earlier. But the text is a) in code and b) in a mixed Latin-and-English context: Non sunt in cœli, quia gxddbov xxkxzt pg ifmk. The string gxddbov can be read by replacing each letter with the one before it in the alphabet (i.e. fuccant). This has a Latin third-person plural ending. This usage implies but does not show the pre-existence of the word in English. The first definite evidence for the word, then, comes from a manuscript in Oxford (MS Brasenose College, Oxford VII), dated 1528. The use was discovered recently by one of the OED's regular correspondents. In this case we have the English adjectival form, which implies use of the verb. |
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Perhaps someone could revise the article based on their discoveries. 68.167.252.101 (talk) 12:08, 18 March 2008 (UTC).
[edit] Was once the most offensive term
That line about fuck being once the most offensive term of all that people kept editing in and out is pretty subjective, and not necessary. The intro just needs to give the very essentials of the term in not too many words; the historical section deals with how offensive it's been in different periods, and what changes occurred in that respect, in a much juicier way than a simplistic sentence we could argue over till the end of time. Who is like God? (talk) 11:46, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Source of Jack Wagner reference?
The rather famous History of the word fuck sound file created some discussion on my webpage a while back, when man calling himself voicedude (wishing to be anonymous) sent me an e-mail saying he had worked with Wagner and was the first one to listen to it. See post. If I look through my archives I probably still has this e-mail and could contact him. Anyway, I just wanted to ask who put that line there (in the external links section).. Sigg3.net (talk) 16:49, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Erroneous translations from Chinese
Language Log has had a number of posts on the subject of bad translations from English to Chinese that mistakenly use the word "fuck". (This post has links to a few others.) These include:
- "Spread to fuck the fruit" (for "Loose dried fruit")
- "Fuck the certain price of goods" (for "Dry foods price counter")
- "Do you want to fuck what?" (for "What do you want to do?")
The problem, it seems, is that the same character 干 is used in simplified Chinese for words meaning "dry" and "do" and also in the latter sense can mean "fuck". And automatic translation software doesn't always know which one is appropriate ... --FOo (talk) 21:13, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Fuck the fucking fuckers?
As much as I agree with wikipedia's anti-censorship stance, I think the sentence 'where the speaker feels that extreme emphasis is needed, it may happen to be used several times in a sentence, such as in "fuck the fucking fuckers"' is a bit much. It seems like more of a joke than anything else.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.164.18.57 (talk • contribs)
[edit] Table of contents right hand side
- Why the "fuck" is the table of contents on the right hand side? Isn't it usually on the left? 01:49, 12 May 2008 User:74.38.85.31
- It would make the starts of the text lines irregular. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:14, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Welsh
The actual term in Welsh is cnuch. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.32.150.26 (talk) 16:12, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Neutrality
I suggest you delete the entry for 'fuck' as its neutrality is in question
Also, can you delete www.wikipedia.org because it is not neutral toward knowledge, it seems to promote knowledge. people should be stupid , like worms 202.92.40.8 (talk) 13:07, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Etymology
The first paragraph claiming a Swedish origin from "fock" is total fiction.86.158.247.51 (talk) 20:55, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
