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[edit] Odd part?

At the end of the article there is something talking about a band playing in San Francisco. Doesn't that seem a bit misplaced? 81.231.7.57 18:29, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FUBAR in other forms

This article should be a branch off a disambiguation page that points to this and an article on the acronym FUBAR. I don't know how to do that yet, but when I learn, I will probably make it happen. Vic Sinclair 06:21, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

Merge done and made new disambiguation page. Vic Sinclair 10:39, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Good work. Much better now. alangstone

[edit] Movies

Shouldnt saving private ryan be mentioned in the movies catagory? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.109.84.227 (talk • contribs)

It is, in the second bullet point. On the other hand, uses of a word seem to be slightly unencyclopedic. We can't possibly catch all the uses anywhere. Does the fact that most young people first heard the word in Saving Private Ryan or in a video game mean that it has to be mentioned? Dpv 10:29, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] grammar error

This is a sentence: "In a museum at Aarhus, a large wooden bar with the runic enscription f u þ a r, where fu is pronounced like foo." I suppose it could read, "A large wooden bar with the runic enscription f u þ a r, where fu is pronounced like foo, is on display in a museum at Aarhus," but I'll let the author (or, at least, someone knowledgeable about the museum) make that decision.

Nshewmaker 15:45, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

any one who is actually concerned about this should not reproduce. I'm not quite sure, but I'm willing to bet this man desperatly needs to get laid. This goes out to any poor fuck up concerned about the term FUBAR. seriously, get a fucking life, douche bags this is sad.

[edit] Merge with FUBAR: The Movie

This article should be merged with FUBAR: The Movie. I'm a bit of a newbie here and I'm not familiar with how to do that.

Well why do you think that? The term FUBAR is completely different from the movie --Teh darkcloud 22:07, 14 August 2006 (UTC) I'd agree, this page should NOT be merged with FUBAR: The Movie. Sdrycroft 11:27, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of advertising

Is inclusion of a link to a nightclub's website just advertising? Is the fact that there is a nightclub called "The Fubar" really relevant? Sdrycroft 11:27, 18 August 2006 (UTC) I think that the inclusion of the website link is a little over the top and it does sound like advertising. I would say though that the nightclub/pub entries should remain on the page. The Fubar nightclub in Stirling had legendary status in the Scottish dance music scene when it was at its peak in the 1990s. It was actually the reason I came onto this page today, I didn't know about most of the other uses of the name. 161.12.7.4 (talk) 15:56, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I think if that nightclub and other places by this name are notable, they should just have their own pages and link back to this article. Milkfish (talk) 22:41, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merger with SNAFU

This page should be merged outright with SNAFU. The two contain mostly the same information, especially the backstory and the list of related terms. Failing a full merger, the terms list, at the least, should be transferred to one or the other, or possibly a separate overview page (if there were more related pages, I'd recommend a "Military acronyms/expletives" template, but most of the related terms redirect to SNAFU).

Tom W.M. 17:22, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree, the list does not belong here. Maybe it can be incorporated into List of U.S. Army acronyms and expressions#Slang initialisms and acronyms. Not sure whether they are all "U.S. Army" or not, though. Milkfish 22:12, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Why are people such f'ing morons!? 03:16, 18 October 2006 (UTC)~

Uh...could you be more specific?

[edit] "tofu"

the only references i see to the definition of tofu are links to this page. can anyone demonstrate its use somewhere? ... aa:talk 06:07, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I was skeptical too, but take a look at http://www.realraptalk.com/f2/some-slang-army-acronyms-20519/ Milkfish 22:15, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I really don't think a thread from a message board qualifies as a valid source. I'm also not sure reproducing the list from said message board is necessary or adequately cited for that matter. --Heuback (talk) 07:37, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Applies to

Let's make a list of "fuck-ups" that FUBAR can be attributed to

1 - The Millennium Dome —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.30.216.37 (talk) 00:33, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] runic yeah right

I removed this:

"It is also possible that foobar is a phonological interpretation of the first letters of the Runic alphabet. Like Qwerty and Abcde, this expression might have attracted various computer programmers. In a museum at Aarhus, there is a large wooden bar with the runic inscription f u þ a r, where fu is pronounced like foo. However, the letter þ is actually pronounced like an unvoiced th, not a b (hence the name Futhark for the Runic alphabet)."

Because, quite simply, this has nothing to do with the origin of FUBAR, which is a simple acronym. It is just slightly within the farthest bounds of possibility that computer programmers with their FOOBAR could have derived terms from the runic alphabet... but the technicians and soldiers who are the original users of FUBAR. Herostratus 07:39, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Euphemism?

The statement towards the beginning of the article "for purposes of euphemism, "fucked" is sometimes replaced with "fouled"" is a matter of opinion presented as fact. "Euphemism" means that something bad is stated in a way that makes it sound not so bad, or even rather good. Saying that something is "all fouled up" certainly does not make it sound good, so it cannot be called a euphemism. In reality, "fucked up" is actually a corsened form of "fouled up," since "fouled," having come from Middle English, is a much older word than the slang term. The original claim is like saying "negro" is a euphemism for "nigger," when in reality the latter is an offensive corruption of the former. Unless it is known that the "F" in FUBAR and its variants originally stood for "fucked" then it is better to err on the side of caution and use the less offensive equivalent. TimMagic 20:45, 16 February 2007 (UTC) TimMagic

That doesn't make any sense, unless you're also claiming that the expression dates to Middle English. Otherwise, it's completely irrelevant - you've replaced a fairly accurate statement of fact with a statement of opinion. And the writing thereof could really do with a tidy-up regardless. This should be reverted - yes, it is known that it stands for "fucked", despite your assurance to the contrary. 210.54.98.171 10:33, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unibus reference sounds like a myth

I'm not sure that I beleive that FUBAR was used for a unibus reference. Even if true, Unibus and the PDP-11 arrived far after both the WWII usages of FUBAR, and even most "Computer engineers (esp. those working in the early era of computing)".

Degeldeg 13:03, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

It is most definitely not a myth. You can find it in the VAX-11/780 Hardware Handbook, and indeed it stands for the Failed Unibus Address Register. (That means it contains the address value that resulted in an access error on the 780 Unibus Adapter.) However, this is obviously a register name chosen to produce that acronym. So there's no reason to describe this as a "claim" of "early era" computer engineers. Paul Koning 22:42, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

It is no myth. BTW when I worked for dec we were told to always write the company name in lower case IE dec or digital.Z07 12:27, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A contradiction?

Am I misreading this?

In the "Etymology" section: "The actual origin of the word was developed in the 1960s, as fire departments across the nation began to use the line."

Further down, FUBAR is referenced as having appeared in the 1953 autobiography "Battle Cry" and again lower down in a 1944 novel.

Wouldn't that mean that the "actual origin" of FUBAR predates the 1960s by at least 15 years?

NehpestTheFirst 03:28, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Usage in computer programming instructional texts

I'm not expert enough to edit the FUBAR page, but I would like to see the page mention how the word is used very often in the conventions of instructions and "help" pages for computer languages. I saw "foo" + "bar" all the time when I was learning Perl. Example: $foo = 1; $bar = 1; $n = $foo + $bar;

So $n = 2. (Maybe I've made a programming mistake here, but... I think the FUBAR article should include "foo" and "bar" as conventional variables for demonstrating the use of variables in computer languages.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.103.205.14 (talk) 21:22:50, August 19, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The FUBAR trio

Since the early 60's I became familiar with the FUBAR trio:

SNAFU - Situation Normal, All Fucked Up.

SUSFU - Situation Unchanged, Still Fucked Up.

FUBAR - Fucked Up Beyond All Repair.

These terms were written on inspection slips and/or tags, which were affixed to pieces of electronic equipment to indicate their current status. Dave (talk) 04:38, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fubar in Band of Brothers

Although i am not sure if i am confusing it with Saving PR, wasnt fubar used ALOT in band of brothers? If so that could be added to tv/movies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mike240se (talk • contribs) 09:59, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Most common

Just out of curiosity: why is "the most common" definition listed third? 71.237.51.115 (talk) 13:18, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Citations

Maybe this link could be added as a citation.

http://catb.org/jargon/html/F/foo.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.192.104.131 (talk) 11:02, 9 June 2008 (UTC)