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[edit] Why this page was created
This article was created as a result from a merger proposal at Talk:Gelatin dessert page.
The merger resulted in the following articles:
- Fruit preserves is this new article
- Some of the text of the original article Jelly was merged into the article Fruit preserves, and the page Jelly was converted to a redirect that points to Jelly (disambiguation);
- The text of the original article Jam was merged into the article Fruit preserves, and the page Jam was converted to a redirect that points to Jam (disambiguation);
- The remainder of the original Jelly article was merged into the Gelatin dessert article and it was edited to reflect the merger decision. It may need some clean-up.
The following articles were left intact but referenced with a Main article: tag in the new article, Fruit preserves:
Please take the time to help make this new article into a featured grade article, including citing the appropriate sources, cleaning up the structure of the text and making it as accurate as possible.
Jerem43 23:43, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Jam & jelly naming in US
What is the source of the comment "Although these terms exist in North America, the UK and Australia, popularly most jams are generically referred to as 'jelly' in North America?" I've lived in North America all of my life (Rhode Island, Washington DC, New Jersey and Toronto) and I have never known jam and jelly to be confused with one another.
J. Rydberg 06:20, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
my personal usage has always been jelly = clear, jam = jelly with its mashed-up fruit, preserves = barely mashed up fruit held together in a jelly-like way. it's just a matter of degrees of chunkiness. in any case, it's all "jelly" when paired with peanut butter, but that's because "peanut butter and jam" doesnt have that brand-name sound to it. kind of like how i used to call all soft drinks "coke." we talk funny in illinois too :) 76.217.123.85 21:09, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
I agree with the above disagreements with that statement. Some people may sloppily use the term jelly for both, but we should not confuse the ignorance of some speakers of the generally accepted (regional) distinction.--Ericjs (talk) 06:30, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Grass Jelly is what?
"Grass jelly, a fodifood from China and Southeast Asia" - what is "fodifood", apart from a Googlewhackblatt? nemo 19:26, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Gelatin dessert, Fruit preserves, Jam and Jelly edits by Milk-maid
Milk-maid (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) has made a series of moves with these articles undoing the results of the discussion at Talk:Gelatin dessert#Merge request. It is her opinion that they should reverted to the original articles using only Commonwealth English references and naming. When the discussion and its results were pointed out to she dismissed it and moved them anyway.
Please keep an eye on these articles to prevent her from doing so again.
-Jeremy (Jerem43 05:37, 31 October 2007 (UTC))
[edit] Terminology still muddled
This page is still a mess in it's handling of terminology.
The term "preserves" suffers the same issue as the term "jam" and "jelly", that is, not everyone means the exact same thing by it. Some count it a synonym for jam (U.S. meaning?), some consider it to be chunkier than jam, some (judging from the decision to make it the generic heading for this whole article) consider it to be a general term encompassing all the variants. For this reason I don't think it should be the main page title, the title should be something vaguer like "fruit spreads".
It might even make sense to merge this further with relishes, ketchups (in the old sense of the term, which did not have to mean tomato), chutneys etc, which are in the same family, and also overlap with these categories in some ways.
The conserve definition ("The word 'conserve' may be used as an alternative term for 'jam'") is unsatisfactory. I don't think everyone means the same thing by this term either, and it's clear from the other discussions and a quick check of the dictionary many people consider it something distinctly different from jam.
The fruit spread definition ("Fruit spread refers to a jam or preserve with no added sugar") is also unsatisfactory. In the U.S. at least, manufacturers have recently begun using this term this way to distinguish their product from jams and sell to people concerned with their sugar intake, but this hardly makes the official and only definition of the term. I think many would still consider this term as covering jams, jellies, etc.
--Ericjs (talk) 06:26, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Popularity of jams and jellies in the U.S.
Here's a citation:
http://www.jelly.org/spreadstats.html
I'm deleting that bit claiming jelly as more popular. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericjs (talk • contribs) 06:41, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
