User talk:Frothy

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The Original Barnstar
For turning US housing bubble from a list of quotes into an actual article, I Mr. Quoteman award this barnstar to Frothy. WAS 4.250 15:37, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
The Surreal Barnstar
The U.S. housing bubble article is an amazing and unusual piece of work. Excellent job! Rama's arrow 12:46, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] {{web-screenshot}} tag

I've noticed you've uploaded some images tagged with {{web-screenshot}}. This tag is not meant to be used for images that came from Web pages; it's meant to be used for images of Web pages (such as Image:Wikipedia.PNG, for example). I've retagged the images below as having no license information. Please edit the image description pages to include information about the licenses these images are under. —Bkell 04:52, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

  • Image:Barrons shiller 06-20-2005.gif
I see that you've changed the license to public domain, claiming fair use. Fair use is not the same as public domain. If an image is in the public domain, it means the copyright has expired or been abandoned, and anyone can do whatever they want with it. This is very unlikely to be the case with this image. I've changed the tag to specify fair use; if you can find more specific information, please include it. Or find an image that doesn't have to be used under the "fair use" clause—that would be the best solution. —Bkell 00:16, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] United States housing bubble

I don't object to the blog link if you think it's useful. My only concern was that blogs were being added by their owners in order to promote them. Thanks for your work on the article. Wmahan. 17:58, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Getting US housing bubble to FA status

I don't know much about the process, though I've picked up tidbits here and there. (I think you can nominate it yourself, in fact.) Before nominating it though, list it at Wikipedia:Peer review, which is intended to put an article through the ringer before making it a FA nomination. That should be a tough but extremely useful review for further improving the quality of the article. Cheers! — Saxifrage ✎ 16:48, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Q re WP:GTL

Sandy, Thanks for being bold and rearranging the article US housing bubble according to WP:GTL. But this page says that the notes go last, and you've put them before other appendices. Would you mind explaining the preferred layout? Frothy 02:12, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

You have to read WP:GTL more carefully: it's really quite a confusing page. The See also and Notes that are shown last on that page are the See also and Notes *for* that page. The layout of sections is given in Section 7 of that page, here. Sorry it wasn't clear :-) Sandy 02:16, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] yo

Yo - I cannot thank you enough for the brilliant work you did with the housing bubble article. Do fix Spangineer's objections so it can become an FA! Rama's arrow 12:46, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

The Surreal Barnstar
The U.S. housing bubble article is an amazing and unusual piece of work. Excellent job! Rama's arrow 12:46, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] housing bubble graph

I apologise for not talking to you sooner about Image:Ma sfh 1year.20060629.gif. It is an image which is licensed under Attribution-NoDerivs 2.5 rather than Attribution 2.5. There's a big difference between the two. The foundation of wikipedia is that the content is freely modifiable, and the image cannot be modified. Included in the license text is that "The above rights include the right to make such modifications as are technically necessary to exercise the rights in other media and formats, but otherwise you have no rights to make Derivative Works" (emphasis mine). For this, the image is nonfree. Derivative works need to be permitted, the content must be freely redistributable, and the there can't be any restrictions like non-commercial or educational use only. Kevin_b_er 02:24, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification, Kevin_b_er. I requested an appropriate release. If not, it's easy enough to generate a free version of this data. Frothy 05:27, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, Frothy, I am completely mystified by Wiki's (in)ability to explain and deal with copyright issues on images. I can't add anything to the discussion. Good luck, Sandy 15:07, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm gonna take a close look at the article and do copyediting tomorrow - need to cleanup prose and grammar and rewrite some portions. Also there is a formatting problem - several pictures are overlapping. 80kb is quite large - remove most of the explanations given in the citations, its ok to just leave the links. For FAC success, you need bring round Spangineer - he's really good at judging FACs, so work with him as much as you can. All the best, Rama's arrow 02:56, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Btw, if the FAC does fail, don't worry. Copyediting and refining can make this article much better and you can start a fresh FAC anytime afterwards. Rama's arrow 02:57, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Actually emotional elements and economic judgments can be done in an encyclopedic tone and fashion. Don't worry, let's work on this tomorrow - pretty tired right now (Yawn...). Rama's arrow 03:20, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
It looks like you've put a lot of work into this article, Frothy. Great job! If you ever need public domain house price graphs, I have some here. I also have spreadsheets you can use to generate your own graphs. JHP 00:30, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Housing bubble

You're welcome. I do think you've made a good effort to address all concerns. By the way, I've already added my support. It's just above the Wiki/CC Image Copyright Questions header. Ryu Kaze 12:54, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Dude, change the name of the article to 2001 U.S. housing bubble. Or else, you'll need a lot of history about previous real estate booms and busts. Rama's arrow 15:42, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
I disagree with Rama's arrow. There is a difference between a boom and a bubble. While there have been several U.S. housing booms, this is the first true housing bubble since 1890, and probably the first in U.S. history. JHP 00:20, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bubble bench image

The image from the Bubble-meter would qualify under fair use as well. In other words it is more free than the Washington Post image, and hence I would think preferred. Probably not a big deal anyway. Incidentally the section "illustrating the object" in the advise over fair use applies to, in this case, using that image to illustrate say, "Washington Post" or "the photography of the Washington Post" or something similar. Rich Farmbrough, 09:40 7 September 2006 (GMT).

[edit] Thank you

Thank you for your continued efforts on the US housing bubble article. It is almost a "thank-less task". But not quite. Know that your efforts are appeciated. WAS 4.250 18:14, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the thanks! At some point, I'll try to muster the energy to take this throught the FA article process again. Frothy 17:06, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Concerned about a couple of the recent links.

I noticed that a couple of the added quotations were from a Stanley Morgan viewpoint article (in which the author claims that the dot-com bust was the cause of the equity losses, without considering 9-11 or the accounting scandal's impact), and a blog of someone's personal opinion. I won't revert, but just thought I would mention that these seem out of place in an otherwise fairly objective article. I leave it up to you... CodeCarpenter 20:55, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

These are influential and widely quoted economists: Morgan Stanley's chief economist, and NYU's Nouriel Roubini, whose opinions are aired regularly in the financial networks. I suppose one could change the links to some new article or program where these opinions are expressed, but they do appear to be widespread. Here's one link that popped on a quick search: Salon's Greenspan and the three bears. Why do you believe that these opinions about the impact Greenspan's policies are out of place? Frothy 01:10, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The "not" makes no sense

"if something in your gut—or on your bank statement—tells you that now is not the right time to buy, resist the pressure. There may be no place like home, but there's no reason you can't rent it." - WAS 4.250 21:59, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

True, it's a [sic]]. Frothy 23:03, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Support

Thanks for alerting me to the US housing bubble article being nominated for a featured article. I voted in support. My hats off to you for your work on it as well. Clinevol98 15:43, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Shiller IE2 Fig 2-1.png

Do you have the raw data, and/or an explanation of the methodology, behind Image:Shiller IE2 Fig 2-1.png? Anthony (talk) 23:44, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

It's at the book's website. Frothy (talk) 01:55, 11 March 2008 (UTC)