Talk:Fronde

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[edit] Split

I advocate that the article be split into two, with the Fronde being discussed here, but the Franco-Spanish War being discussed elsewhere ('elsewhere' being Franco-Spanish War (1653), which is now a redirect to Fronde). Although obviously connected, the civil conflict cannot be combined with the foreign conflict so carelessly. Bastin 12:35, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Support. Sounds good to me - they are two pretty distinct topics. Funnyhat 16:25, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

The best way is this standard method, which I'll initiate:

• Cut and paste the section Franco-Spanish War (1653) as an independent article under that heading. Include any references from here that pertain. (Done.)
• Provide the new article with a concise opening summary linking Fronde as its general context. (To do.)
• Return to Fronde and concentrate the subsection somewhat with a heading Main article Franco-Spanish War (1653). (To do.)
• Enrich the new article with further detail and references. (To do.)

The reason? The Franco-Spanish War (1653) is the outcome of those earlier episodes, the Fronde parlementaire and the Fronde des Nobles. Its limitations are shaped by those earlier events. The three episodes are one phenomenon, which had the effect of discrediting "freedoms" in the old feudal sense in France, (rather than the "new" personal sense) and set the stage for absolutism.

Dividing information into chunks that are too small has the effect of losing information. Making new articles in this manner preserves context.

The changes I've made have created an overlap of text that is only temporary. The section here needs to be condensed (not too much I hope), and the new article needs to be enriched. Nothing has been lost.--Wetman 01:00, 5 September 2006 (UTC)