Talk:Frodo Baggins

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The family tree at the end should include Bilbo. Meelar 14:55, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Dates in Middle-earth articles should not be linked because they are not in the Gregorian Calendar. Lee M 02:28, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Frodo Last Ring bearer

Frodo was not the last ring bearer, Gollum took the ring from him just before Gollum fell to his death. I made the edit but not sure this fact should even be mentioned in the main short description.

[edit] Gollum following Frodo

The story section says: "At about this time, the creature Gollum began to follow them" about the split at Amon Hen. Surely Gollum followed the fellowship long before the split at Amon Hen? He was spotted in Lórien, and I think even in Moria (but that may just be the movie) --ComaVN 17:41, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Yes, Gollum is following them from Moria on in both book and film. Gildir, 19 January 2006

[edit] I don't like the image in the Infobox

Could somebody change it to a different image, like a scan of an illustrated version of LOTR? I don't really think that readers of the Wikipedia should be able to identify this character with one specific film portrayal. The same goes for all of the LOTR character pages that feature images from Peter Jackson's film trilogy. Remember, this page is supposed to be in connection with the books, not with a film portrayal. It's all right if the Infobox shows listings for the actors who portrayed and voiced the characters (as long as the listings for all film portrayals are mentioned, not just the one adaptation), but the image itself should be unrelated to the films. (Ibaranoff24 02:16, 10 December 2005 (UTC))

Personally I think that with the recent popularity generated by the film this image is quite acceptable. After all, most people's vision of the characters in LOTR is coloured by the films. Gtatler 16:15, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Frodo is not the mayor

Frodo is not the mayor of the Shire. I hope that someone could fix this.

It's a moot point. Sam Gamgee was elected mayor - and re-elected several times - but I think that Frodo did in fact stand in temporarily prior to Sam's election. Gtatler 16:12, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Frodo did indeed act as Deputy Mayor of the Shire (for about 8 months) while Will Whitfoot recovered from his (involuntary) stay in the {prison of which I can't remember the name -- the ...holes or something}. Vor0nwe 16:21, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

the lockholes created by the ruffians and sharkey a.k.a. saruman.

[edit] Infobox LOTR

Edited. Forget this posting - I have found it on template:infobox LOTR - should have thought of that myself before posting. Anyway, it may be useful for others to know as it is such a lovely feature. Gtatler 15:59, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

I notice that several pages re LOTR contain infobox information.

Whereabouts is this templat situated ?

I ask as I am developing a personal Wiki and would like to use such a feature.

Can anyone help ?

Gtatler 15:54, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New arrangement of images

I've tried a new arrangement of the images. Does it look OK? Unfortunately, I can't get the text to flow round the gallery, so I think something a bit more advanced is needed. Carcharoth 22:08, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I threw together something which approximates what you did with the gallery while allowing text to appear alongside the images. Feel free to adjust or revert. --CBDunkerson 01:14, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. I've adjusted it slightly, but I'm still not entirely happy with it. I am slightly torn here because the infoboxes do look better with pictures - however it seems wrong to allow the portrayal in one film to appear to be the definitive image. Can anyone think of any way to make the infoboxes looko more interesting without using film pictures?
Another idea I had was to have an infobox summarising all the portrayals information, actors and pictures. This would probably work best across the whole page as a table, rather than a vertical one down the right-hand side. Carcharoth 07:53, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
I think the image at Maedhros is great and would support the use of similar things (if they can be found) for other characters. Expect holy heck from some film fans though. Any decent 'free use' image should be given precedence. What we really need is a skilled artist to make nice portraits of all the characters and release them into the public domain. :] --CBDunkerson 11:35, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Just to be clear - any film screenshots are only "fair use" to illustrate an article? And the artwork of Maedhros - is that "free use", or does the restriction to only use it in the Maedhros article make it something different? Would anyone have time to add something to the notes at Wikipedia:WikiProject Middle-earth/Images to clarify the different copyright/licensing status of the various images? Carcharoth 13:14, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
There are various 'fair use' exceptions. The one most commonly invoked with screenshots is that the image is a low resolution still-frame which therefor does not adversely impact sales of the movies themselves and they are included only in articles where they serve a legitimate purpose in illustrating the subject (so... a screenshot of 'Gollum' would be 'fair use' in an article on Gollum or CGI, but not in an article on Apricots). The Maedhros artwork is actually copyrighted material as well, but used 'by permission'... the artist agreed to allow that particular version of the image to be used on that particular page and no other. I'll try to put some annotations on the gallery images. --CBDunkerson 16:30, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Horse/Pony/Steed

I put a field for both ponies and horses in this new template I am trying, as it would look silly for the field to say "Horse". But on reflection, I'm not so sure that this isn't a rather trivial field, but I'm slowly coming round to the idea of having named horses, weapons, etc. But I still dislike the excessive use of "other names" and "titles", when this is often inappropriate. Carcharoth 07:53, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Frodo Baggins finances

What did Frodo actually live on? Granted he had a large dwelling (and probably the food grown thereon) - but he would need income from some sources (to employ Sam, acquire clothes and other necessities etc).

(Though the above comment would apply to quite a few characters in quite a few fantasy novels: Aragorn and the Rangers would live off the land and hiring out their skills - Boromir would live off the usual nobility sources etc.)

Jackiespeel 15:49, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

He lived off of the treasure that Bilbo broght back from Erebor. (Carangil)

[edit] Early life

I corrected the Internal Link, previously it linked to a non-existant article, randyclan, rather than Brandyclan. --Njmagnusson 21:33, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Health after the Quest

I somehow feel that to say that Frodo lost both his mental and physical health after the Quest is harsh. Frodo certainly suffered some kind of disorder, but this was on special dates such as October 6 (anniversary of the stabbing by the Witch-king on Amon Sûl), but I think that to state that he lost his mental health (one would assume that he became insane) is incorrect. On the other hand, his physical health is never mentioned in the books as having, at the very least, declined. He was obviously much thinner (Frodo noted this himself as early as when he was traveling with Aragorn to Rivendell) after he completed the Quest than when he set out from Bag End. I believe, therefore, that this last phrase on the "Commentary" section should be ammended. 02:28, 14 April 2007 (UTC).


I would like to also suggest that the 'diagnosis' of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder be removed. Given that the literature states that Frodo only exhibited any potential symptoms of PTSD on the anniversary of his wounding at Weathertop, it is fairly clear that Tolkien did not intend Frodo to display any sort of 'post war stress symptoms'-- a condition which he very likely would've been familiar with, given that he was a veteran of World War I (even if the condition wasn't named PTSD at the time). Furthermore, even on the anniversary of the stabbing, Frodo only could be said to exhibit two of the symptoms of PTSD - avoidance and intrusion - which I doubt would be sufficent for a mental health care professional to make a diagnosis of PTSD. (I would not.) Finally, and this is much more of a personal belief, I think that applying a label of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder in this situation carries a great risk of potentially trivializing the disorder. PTSD is very often a life-shattering affliction, but someone reading about Frodo's life following the War of the Ring could very easily come to the conclusion that PTSD was a minor issue. 21:19, 3 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Death

I changed the death from "Fourth Age" to "unknown." He departed to Aman, the land of eternal life, and it is unclear whether he, as a mortal being, would die there or live eternally with the elves. Any guess as to his death is pure speculation. Papercrab 20:43, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Frodo did not enter Aman. He remained in Tol Eressea and lived there until the end of his natural life. Cush 22:04, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
How do you know Frodo did not enter Aman, would Gandalf et al not have gone on to Aman as a reward for his loyalty in being the only Istari to keep to his mission? Carl Sixsmith 06:56, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Frodo.jpg

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[edit] Sexuality

Is Frodo gay? Or is Elijah Wood just a bit of a soft eyed actor? Gaia Octavia Agrippa (talk) 20:09, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Frodo's sexuality is never mentioned in the books, he takes after his Uncle/Cousin Bilbo in being a lifelong bachelor. Carl Sixsmith (talk) 20:38, 19 November 2007 (UTC)