Talk:Friz Freleng
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[edit] Date of Birth
There seems to be some confusion about his date of birth. I'm not sure which it is but googling for "friz freleng 1905" returns 618 hits, "friz freleng 1906" turns up 524 hits. Can anyone provide a definitive source for his correct date of birth? Qutezuce 07:47, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
- Yeah, I did the same search. I've kept 1906, since that's what's on his grave marker. Incidentally, is it still called a "grave marker" if the person was cremated? I wasn't sure how to word that. --BrianSmithson 12:47, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Banned Cartoons
I notice there's no mention of the fact that a lot of Freleng's cartoons were deemed racist and were banned (if that's the right word) at one time or another. He seemed to have a particular hatred for blacks, as shown in "Sunday Go To Meetin' Time", "Goldilocks and the Jivin' Bears" and "Jungle Jitters". PennyGWoods 22:36, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
- This is true of all animators of the period, not just Freleng. In other words, he didn't do anything extraordinary to merit mention in this article. — BrianSmithson 02:36, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- Nothing extraordinary about having your cartoons BANNED? Good to see you see nothing noteworthy of racism. Let me know where you send your children to school so mine won't be there. PennyGWoods 05:01, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- Did you read my post? Freleng is by no means alone in the fact that some of his cartoons have been banned. In fact, I'd guess that every Warners director from this time has had some racist gag edited out of his cartoons by now. Racist material derived from the minstrel show was simply de rigeur at the time. You seem to be implying that Freleng was exceptional in this regard, and I'm arguing that he was not. Spare me your moral highhorse, and come back after you've done some research. You may want to start at Censored 11. — BrianSmithson 11:56, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- I've added a note on the racist cartoons. I don't think much more verbiage is warranted, but have a look. — BrianSmithson 12:09, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- First off, spare me. You don't see a problem with racist cartoons. That's between you and your deity. Dude must be your grandpa or something. Second off, the addition is fine. It was pretty much all I was commenting on. If there's a banned cartoons article here, that would be the place to expand on it. I think it would be interesting, but I know I'm not the person to write it. PennyGWoods 23:05, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- Your consistent willingness to ignore a person's actual point in favour of trying to smear them with spurious accusations might be admirable if it were not so pathetic. W guice 08:51, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
- PennyGWoods, I guess you're referring to the Censored Eleven, or the 11 Golden Age Warner Bros. cartoons not shown in about 20 years. Freleng directe 4 of the 11, I believe. I suppose you could mention it in the Freleng article, but it's pretty well covered in the article I referenced. The line added under Directorial achievements is good; maybe a "See also" link would help?Konczewski 02:26, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
- First off, spare me. You don't see a problem with racist cartoons. That's between you and your deity. Dude must be your grandpa or something. Second off, the addition is fine. It was pretty much all I was commenting on. If there's a banned cartoons article here, that would be the place to expand on it. I think it would be interesting, but I know I'm not the person to write it. PennyGWoods 23:05, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- I've added a note on the racist cartoons. I don't think much more verbiage is warranted, but have a look. — BrianSmithson 12:09, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- Did you read my post? Freleng is by no means alone in the fact that some of his cartoons have been banned. In fact, I'd guess that every Warners director from this time has had some racist gag edited out of his cartoons by now. Racist material derived from the minstrel show was simply de rigeur at the time. You seem to be implying that Freleng was exceptional in this regard, and I'm arguing that he was not. Spare me your moral highhorse, and come back after you've done some research. You may want to start at Censored 11. — BrianSmithson 11:56, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- Nothing extraordinary about having your cartoons BANNED? Good to see you see nothing noteworthy of racism. Let me know where you send your children to school so mine won't be there. PennyGWoods 05:01, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
I think personally that you, PennyGwoods or whatever, should be banned yourself, for your abnormal accusations at a user that probably has way more experience than you will ever getTheclassicalman 03:42, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Only Freleng?
I removed the following two trivia items:
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- An oft used motif of Freleng's was the "Freleng Door Gag." The gag consists of one character chasing another through a series of doors, with the pursued character popping out of unexpected doors. The gag can be seen in 1944's Little Red Riding Rabbit and 1948's Buccaneer Bunny.
- A similar recurring gag, "Hold the Onions" (characters make an elaborate sandwich, but are stopped when another character flashes a sign reading "Hold the Onions!") appears in 1941's The Fighting 69th 1/2 and 1947's The Gay Anties. Chuck Jones used the gag in his 1943 short Wackiki Wabbit
First of all, I hate trivia sections. If something is important enough to make it into the article, it should be incorporated into the main text, not relegated to a trivia ghetto. But even allowing the trivia section to stand, can someone provide a source that these gags are Freleng's own and not those of the other Warner directors or their writers? — BrianSmithson 22:28, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
- Seeing as most other entries have trivia section to incorporate items that don't flow smoothly in the article, I think you're fighting a losing battle. The "Freleng Door Gag" is a pretty well recognized term; I've seen in books on animation by Jerry Beck and Joe Adams. You can actually use it to identify a cartoon as one of Freleng's; I'm 99% sure no other Golden Age director used it. As to whose responsible for it, you probably could make a case that writer Warren Foster thought it up. However, it's usually Freleng that gets credit for it because, as director, he made the final decision to include it. If it makes you feel better, I'll find a source for it. I will agree that the "Hold the Onion" gag should be deleted; both McKimson and Jones used it.Konczewski 13:42, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
- Hardly a losing battle: See Wikipedia:Avoid trivia sections in articles. And such sections are usually the first thing to be axed when an article goes up for Wikipedia:Featured article candidates. But, yeah, I think a source would be a good idea for the door gag and the other one. Thanks. — BrianSmithson 22:28, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you for bringing the "Avoid trivia..." article to my attention. I never looked at it that way before. I'll do a more research on the Door Gag history before I consider re-inserting it, but I think the Hold the Onions gag can stay out. If I do add the FDG, I'll try to incorporate it in the body of the article.Konczewski 02:20, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
- Hardly a losing battle: See Wikipedia:Avoid trivia sections in articles. And such sections are usually the first thing to be axed when an article goes up for Wikipedia:Featured article candidates. But, yeah, I think a source would be a good idea for the door gag and the other one. Thanks. — BrianSmithson 22:28, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Butt of the Joke
Recently my wife and I were watching one of the Looney Tunes collections Volume 3 that featured Tweety and Sylvester. We noticed the name "Friz" on the side of a tipped box, and later the address label "Friz Freleng, Pratt Falls, Wisconsin", on a package in the mailcar train sequence. While this may be just more trivia, I understand that Freleng was the constant butt of his writers' jokes, and it was not unusual for them to slip his name into scenes as an "Easter Egg". Greenbomb101 17:00, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
- Well, this would have been a background artist's joke, not a writer's joke. But the background artists did this with everyone at the studio, not just Friz. If you listen to the audio commentary on the Golden Collection DVDs, Jerry Beck and Michael Barrier (and others) frequently point these little inside jokes out. — Brian (talk) 23:31, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, I stand corrected. "Background artists", not writers. A mistype on my part, the likes of which I shall endeavor in the future not to make again. I'd be willing to say this joke was employed in many studios such as Hanna-Barbera. Just putting in my two cents in at Wikipedia. Or should the pronoun be "on"? Greenbomb101 16:15, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
- Don't sweat it. ;) By the way, I usually say "on Wikipedia". But, then, I also believe that native speakers of a language don't make mistakes, they just use forms that grammarians may not consider "standard". — Brian (talk) 21:59, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
