Talk:Fritz Pfleumer

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[edit] @Dicklyon - Fritz Pfleumer - notability tag

Are you really serious that this article is a candidate for deletion?
Don't you believe the Stanford VideoPreservation Website?
How many Wiki-articles do you think would have to be tagged if you applied the same standards as you apply to this one?!
Contrary to the German Wikipedia the English one has less severe notability guidelines and keeps many more articles (the English Wikipedia itself confirms this) – the German Wikipedia keeps the Pfleumer article.
If one just looks e.g. at the Category:American inventors – one can see right at the start the following - Robert Abplanalp, Isaac Adams, Alan Adler ... – are you going to add a notability tag?
Again, do you really think this article is a candidate for deletion?
Sincerely, 217.236.231.117 11:14, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

No, certainly not suggesting it should be deleted, but someone else might if it continues to be missing the required evidence of notability. Read the tag: "If you are familiar with the subject matter, please expand or rewrite the article to establish its notability. The best way to address this concern is to reference published, third-party sources about the subject." And I do tag many such articles; the answer is probably a million or more; but I can't do them all. Dicklyon 14:29, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, the only sources I have at hand right now are the ones that google etc. will show everybody in a second ... and from what I’ve read on the internet I have no doubt that this fellow satisfies the notability criteria – and I think it would not be a good decision if the article was deleted only because nobody is willing to take the time and "go out" to find some "real" references. So if this tag leads to "waterproof" article references I welcome it - but I fear it will lead to sorting it out. 217.236.237.117 15:49, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the tag. For heaven's sake, the article is already identified as a stub. If we were to use this criterion for tagging articles as "non-notable", someone like, say, Alexander Graham Bell might be struck from Wikipedia for non-notability for the only reason that the article is still insufficiently developed. The inventor and invention of magnetic tape is anything but non-notable. We have entirely too many folks running around Wikipedia wielding tags like a child that has found daddy's revolver in his nightstand. —Quicksilver^{T @} 18:21, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

The tag is there to remind editors to do the job of finding and citing the reliable independent sources that serve as evidence of notability. Why do you react to it negatively? You can remove it when the refs are cited. Dicklyon 06:13, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

That's not true. The tag questions notability. Pfleumer is obviously notable. See section 2.4 of WP:BIO where it says "The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory or technique." Unless you are questioning his role in the invention of magnetic tape or the notability of magnetic tape itself, this tag is incorrectly applied in this case. I would also suggest that you restrain yourself in this debate on the grounds that you may have a conflict of interest, since you are also an inventor. -- Austin Murphy (talk) 02:32, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me? I have a COI because I'm also an inventor? That's absurd. What kind of conflict of interest are you suggesting? Anyway, the only point on this article is that the notability requirements have not been satisfied. Assuming it's true that he's known for inventing magnetic tape, it shouldn't be hard to find one or more reliable sources that say so, and cite them. By the way, note that the criterion you quoted is "known for". Citing a patent for an invention does not establish notability. Certain this one German dissertation with a few words about him is not close to the usual standard for notability. Dicklyon (talk) 03:57, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

That's a complaint about the article itself needing improving, not the individual. –– Lid^(Talk) 04:06, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

That is correct. When notability has not been established in an article, that should not reflect on the individual. I went ahead and found a good book source and added it. And fixed his nationality to agree, now that we have a source. And added a fair-use picture from it. Dicklyon (talk) 05:07, 29 April 2008 (UTC)