Talk:Frith (druidry)

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What is the origin of the word "frith" in this sense? "European" does not have any linguistic meaning. Does it share an etymology with the Germanic "frith", or perhaps from Scots "firth"? When is its first recorded use to mean "augury"?

What specific practices does a frith entail? Who has witnessed a frith? In what specific culture does frith originate? Highland Scots Celtic? How and when did it spread? What sources do its modern practioners use?

http://home.flash.net/~bellbook/faolcu/frith.html

I am sorry that I have no idea. Hopefully one of the neo-pagans who wrote the text will come by and give an explanation.--Wiglaf 16:07, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I added the /disputed/ tag, since it doesn't seem like the information here has any grounds in reality. If anyone wants to clean up the facts, that'd be great. --69.158.62.22 00:59, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

To elaborate:

Frith is a Western European druidic augury through which the future can be determined by connection to the divine. <-- There should be something that explains what the supposed ritual actually consists of.

Traditionally, Druidic ceremonies occurred (and still do) all over Europe from Germany to Ireland, from Italy and Spain to the Netherlands. <-- This sentence seems to have little relevance.

So the root of this word would be best described as European in origin rather than Gallic, Germanic or Latin. <-- As pointed out above, this doesn't make any sense. "European" doesn't mean anything when talking about the etymology of words. If there is any evidence for the etymology of the word frith, then there might be a starting point. (Though arguing a point from etymology are most often spurious, unless the point you're making is linguistic.)

In Indo-European culture, the (druidic) priest or intellectual (Brahmin) class is considered the highest class, above warriors, rulers, farmers etc. <-- Most of what we know about Indo-European culture is speculative. We're talking pre-history here. While there is some evidence for PIE classes as mentioned here, I don't see what that has to do with a Frith.

In this sense, this is the most important and sacred meaning of Frith. <-- Where does this come from? What sense? What meaning?

These ceremonies now occur throughout the continents of the world wherever druids exist. For example, Mt Warning on the northern New South Wales coast, the first place where the sun hits Australia every morning. <-- And?

Sorry if I'm being harsh. I'm a Neo-Pagan myself, and I'd like to see at least some accuracy.

I'd vote for deleting this article if it can't be cleaned up soon (the clean-up tag has been attached to this article for nearly a year). I don't have any knowledge of Friths myself, though. --69.158.62.22 01:44, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the deletion unless substantive citations can be ascribed to it. A, albeit brief, search of several databases (EBSCO, ebrary) yielded to Frith, and Frith AND druidry yielded only matches with last name Frith. L Hamm 16:56, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Goodness, I just jumped in and enjoyed the possibility of this thing called frith social relationships conducive to peace

and then there's fred no state of war

& frid no state of disturbance

amw Oct. 2006

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