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[edit] Ambiguity in Occurrence section
"Thus, the total number weeks in the Gregorian Calendar cycle is 20,871. Because of this, no chosen day of the month up to the 28th can occur the same number of times on each day of the week."
The logic is hard to follow (or does not follow), because the antecedent to this is ambiguous. Please consider revising to explain what this is.
[edit] Good luck
I'm Italian so this is good luck.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.113.131.124 (talk • contribs) .
[edit] Semi-protection
I have semi-protected for today because it's Friday the 13th today, and that seems to be encouraging a lot of vandalism. -- Beland 17:16, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- A notice about this should be placed on the article. Lcarsdata 17:28, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- Belatedly added; I didn't before because I thought I would not be around to remove it on time, but whatever. -- Beland 04:27, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
== Italians opinion on Friday the 13th == not
My Italian Nonna has always told me that in Italy, the number 13 is lucky and therefore Friday the 13th is supposed to be a lucky day. Can anyone confirm this? Chosen One 41 19:51, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- Hmm. Internet sources seem to disagree on this point, though it does seem 17 is considered unlucky in Italy. -- Beland 04:25, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Trivia: full moon and Friday 13th
The remark in the trivia section about Friday 13th tending to occur on full moons (despite today's being close to a new moon)--is there really anything to that, given that there are an average of 1.7 Friday 13ths per year, and you expect many to occur close to a full moon just from random chance. I will admit that it could be something of two separate cycles coinciding for a while, only to diverge later, though this isn't anything exactly notable, as it happens with all phenomena (graph two sine waves of different frequencies and you will see there are times when peaks coincide or are close to coinciding, sometimes for several cycles depending on the frequencies). I'm not sure this really belongs in an encyclopedia. Any thoughts?--Todd 03:01, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
- I agree and have removed this text from the article. -- Beland 04:20, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Monday?
I'm from Russia and I've never heard that Monday is thought to be an unlucky day by Russians. --AndyTerry 14:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
- A Google Books search actually turns up a number of references to this superstition. [1] -- Beland 19:38, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Revise?
"occurring on the 13th day of any month is considered to be a day of bad luck in English, German, Polish and Portuguese-speaking cultures around the globe."
Other countries have this superstition also, e.g. The Netherlands, Belgium other Northern European countries. Why not change to "many cultures around the globe"?
Thr3ddy 21:11, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Fallacy in 'Occurence' proof
You can't make a 400-year cycle out of cycles of 28 years - 28 doesn't go into 400. This means that the cycle will always show a bias towards some day of the week or other. Deleting this section pending a counter-proof. JustThisGuy 18:02, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
- Restored pending your demonstration that your "counter-proof" is not just original research. HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 05:54, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
The cycle is indeed 400 years. It is not composed of 28 year cycles because the leap years mess up the 28 year cycles. Yes, there are a lot of 28 year cycles, but there are also some 12 year cycles. 216.167.246.215 (talk) 00:29, 26 May 2008 (UTC) warren AT gaebel DOT ca
The entire 'Occurrence' section is full of grammatical and mathematical errors. It should be rewritten. --76.224.76.16 23:32, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm VietNamese but do anyone know why Friday th 13th is so popular ?
Just is and its also the namne of the longest running successful Horror franchise, Friday the 13th. which made the character Jason Voorhees, one of the worlds most know Legends of cinema history. Ki Ki Ki ma ma ma. User:rakarno
It appears this page has been vandalized:
"Glen Jackson, while playing on a Friday night coed league in Fort Worth, Texas broke his uterus. After recovering from the injury he vowed not to play on another Friday the 13th."
13:20, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
The Wikipedia page says, "Every year has at least one and at most three Fridays the 13th, with 688 occurrences during each 400-year Gregorian cycle (146,097 days).[citation needed]" I disagree with the "citation needed" comment. This is a simple fact that can be verified by listing the days of the week that each month fall on over a 400 year period, and then counting the Sundays. Of course, there are shortcuts so you don't have to do ALL the work that this implies. However, the point remains: This is a fact that is easily verifiable and therefore should not require a citation. For those of you who do require a citation, how about using the Gregorian Calendar page in Wikipedia as your citation. It is all explained so nicely there. 216.167.246.215 (talk) 00:29, 26 May 2008 (UTC) Warren AT gaebel DOT ca
[edit] bizarre disappearance of part of the article
part of the article appears to be gone, what's bizarre to me is that I can't find it in the history??? I can't find this in the history although it was there on the morning of 2007-07-13:
- The popular painting of the Last Supper, with stories that Judas numbered among the thirteen guests (Jesus plus his 12 apostles), and that the Crucifixion of Jesus occurred Friday. However, Judas was not actually present for the latter part of the Last Supper according to the Bible Canon because he had left in order to bring Jesus' betrayal to a conclusion later that night (John 13:27-30 and previous context). Therefore, for the majority of The Last Supper, there were only 11 faithful apostles along with Jesus making the total number of those present 12.
- That the biblical Eve offered the fruit to Adam on a Friday, and that the slaying of Abel happened on a Friday (though the Bible does not identify the days of the week when these events occurred). [4]
- Friday 13th October 1066 was the last day of the reign of the Saxon King Harold II. On this day, William, Duke of Normandy offered Harold the option of ceding the crown; Harold declined the offer. The Battle of Hastings took place the following day (Saturday 14th October 1066). Harold was slain and William took control of England.
- Many modern stories (including The Da Vinci Code) claim that when King Philip IV had many Knights Templar simultaneously arrested on Friday, October 13, 1307, that started the legend of the unlucky Friday the 13th.
- Friday and 13 were both sacred to the Norse goddess Freyja, so Friday 13th was especially sacred. Christians who wished to suppress her worship said the day was unlucky.
In the case of Greece, Tuesday, April 13, 1204 was the date on which Constantinople was sacked by the crusaders of the Fourth Crusade. The first-ever fall of what was then the richest Christian city, and the looting that followed, allegedly gave Tuesday 13 its bad meaning. Coincidentally, Constantinople fell for the second time, to the Ottoman Turks, on Tuesday, May 29, 1453, a date that marked the end of the Byzantine empire, and to Greek sovereignty for several centuries, and therefore reinforcing Tuesday as an unlucky day in the Greek world.[citations needed]
ZZyXx 19:53, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Only Bad For Egyptians
Nothing to be afraid of, unless you are a Pagan firstborn in Egypt in 1250 BC when Moses was gathering Israel for their famous Exodus. Jewish days change at sunset. Non-Jewish days change at midnight. God sent the angel of death to kill the firstborns on the 14th of Nissan (Hebrew calendar) just after sunset.
But for the Egyptians it was still the 13th until midnight, a Friday. Hence, it was a bad day for Egypt.
Only 'God's people' knew what was coming (through Moses) and in faith, prepared for the takedown by smearing lambs blood on their doors. Known as "Passover" to Jews, that great day is one of their most sacred observances...'coincidentally' the same exact time of year that "Good Friday" is being observed; not for the blood on the door that saved through faith, but for the blood of the Lamb on the cross that the Christians believe saves through faith. A few obscure places to research http://judaism.about.com/library/3_askrabbi_sijs/bl_44_pesachsatnite.htm http://www.varchive.org/ http://www.khouse.org/
[edit] Origins of Friday 13th
I think the section is incorrect, there is a well known history
King Philip IV of France found himself deeply in debt to the Knights Templar. So rather than pay off his debts, King Philip simply had the members of the Knights Templar arrested and tortured on October 13, 1307, Friday the 13th. Later Pope Clement, under pressure from King Philip, had the order disbanded, and the Knights Templar disappeared into myth and legend. Ever since October 13, 1307, Friday the 13th has been associated with bad luck.
It wasn't just because of The Da Vinci code.
- Lots of bad things have happened on a "Friday the 13th." Just like lots of bad things have happened on a "Wednesday the 21st" -- doesn't make one more unlucky than the next. The fact is, Friday the 13th hasn't been considered "unlucky" until relatively recently. Choosing some bad thing that happened on a "Friday the 13th" some time in the past doesn't make that event the cause of the superstition. DeanHarding (talk) 00:52, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Canada
Why is Canada included as one of the countries that consider Friday the 13th unlucky? I've removed it, because Canada is already included as an English- and French- speaking country. DeanHarding (talk) 00:55, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
