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[edit] Rogue (Computer Game)

As I wish to avoid a dear user letter...I am doing a bunch of work on Rogue (Computer Game), and working on improving both its notability, and its general articleness. I wanted to ask you why you took away the italics on roguelike. I put it in italics because its a jargon word. Also I wonder why you removed the dialbo II refrence. Rogue, and its system of magic is one that started with old make believe games in Oxford, became Tolkiens Fairy world, inspired Gary Gigax to create D&D, inspired Michael Toy, in Rogue, and followed the books, gaming system, and wildly popular UNIX game, followed by Diablo, and Diablo II, and continuing on with World Of Warcraft. There is a common thread, of fantasy, that puts each of them on the map as important milestones in popular culture. Rogue, Diablo II, and World of Warcraft being three of the most popular computer games of all time. What would be the best way, in your opinion of establishing this connection across the articles? I see you have an interest in the article, and perhaps you can add a few suggestions as to how it may be improved. Thanks 71.193.2.115 (talk) 07:47, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Wow, I have a lot of concerns to address here. Let me start with the first:
I removed the itals on roguelike because it doesn't need to be italicized. At best, it should be in quotes to signify that it's a jargon word. But, in fact, I don't consider it a "jargon" word. It's a name for a class of computer games. What's jargon-like about that? Is the term "first-person shooter" jargon? (No, I'm not trying to say that roguelikes are first-person shooters—it was just an example).
I removed the Diablo II reference because Diablo, the first game in the series, is more like Rogue than Diablo II is. It had a randomized dungeon that was the focus of the game, like Rogue, while Diablo II was more expansive. While it had randomized dungeons as well, it was further removed from being a roguelike than the first game was. The only acceptable way to include it, if you really feel it needs to be, would be to say the Diablo series.
As for Rogue being the forefather of WoW, I don't buy it. It owes its lineage more to the popular role-playing games such as Dungeons & Dragons than it does to Rogue. While they both have elements of fantasy, just because Rogue came out before WoW (or even Warcraft, for that matter), it doesn't mean that one follows the other. Rogue didn't invent the fantasy-genre of games and doesn't need to be mentioned as the fore-father of WoW. Saying such is jumping to a conclusion and constitutes original research. Now, if you can find a verifiable reference that says the Rogue served as inspiration for WoW, that's another matter. But for now, without a reference, there is little to demonstrate much of a genealogy between the two.
You don't need to educate me on the importance of Rogue—I'm a fan from way back. But, to be honest, while Diablo, Diablo II and WoW are all very popular games, Rogue was never a big hit, despite the numerous ports it's had. It was only ever really popular among the hacker and geek subculture. While many non-gamers (and non-geeks) will recognize WoW and maybe even Diablo, almost none recognize Rogue in name or visible representation. So Rogue isn't really a part of popular culture as you state, but just geek culture.
In any event, I stand by my edits. If you have questions or concerns about them in the future, put them on the Rogue talk page so all Rogue editors can see (and respond) to them.
And lastly, please set up a user account. Getting an account is free and gives you more privacy than a straight IP address. Plus, it's easier for other editors to follow your edits (and give you credit for them) than by a a string of numbers. Thanks! — Frecklefσσt | Talk 12:09, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
And you certainly hit the nail on the head regarding Dungeons and Dragons. Pretty much all roads lead there. Even Rogue, which according to one of the authors was directly influenced by Adventure, which itself was directly influenced by Dungeons and Dragons. And the fact that Blizzard dedicated one of its recent patches for WoW to Gygax speaks volumes on his legacy and direct influence on the industry. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 17:24, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Rogue, went from running on BSD, to being ported to almost every major UNIX distrubution, and including most minor ones. It was avaible from almost every shareware vendor I could find. I left out Dungeon Siege. Chris Taylor told me at E3, that his biggest influnces for Dungeon Siege were Diablo and Rogue! Of course I cannot use that, but it does point to the influence of early games on games designers.
I had a user account. The main page got vandalized weekly, for more than a year. I deleted it, when a few articles I helped improved were deleted for *notablility*, which despite the retroic, is just basically a popularity contest. American Idol is a much more important article than say...Ida Red. Editors and pesky admins can use my IP to trace my edits. 71.193.2.115 (talk) 11:45, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Okay, but I still stand by my edits. Verifiable references are the only thing we can use, which I gather you understand. So, we can only use in the article what we can prove. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 12:11, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Singles Ward

Hello. I commented on the article and would appreciate your attention. Thanks. --Eustress (talk) 14:08, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Psygnosis

What is your problem with adding Category:Video games developed in the United Kingdom in the category? The category consists of only game articles and Psygnosis was a UK based company.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mika1h (talkcontribs)

The "problem" I have is that Psygnosis was not a video game, but a video game developer and publisher. If there was a Category:Video games developers in the United Kingdom, I wouldn't have a problem adding them to it. But as it is, they were not nor ever were a "video game". — Frecklefσσt | Talk 12:01, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
There is Category:Video game companies of the United Kingdom and Psygnosis is included in it. We can rename the category to "Psygnosis games" so it would be consistent with other developer game categories such as Category:Codemasters games and Category:Criterion games. --Mika1h (talk) 17:43, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
That's fine with me. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 17:48, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Done. --Mika1h (talk) 20:38, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WP:Sims

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[edit] Importance notice regarding WikiProject Sims

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[edit] WikiProject Homeschooling

I noticed you had moved your name into the withdrawn section. Would you still like to receive the newsletter? - DiligentTerrier (and friends) 23:51, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

No, thanks for asking. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 23:59, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Category: Game programmers

Jc37, I was about to create the Category:Wikipedian game programmers, but then saw it was deleted twice before by you. I see it went through a debate before it was deleted, but I can't find the transcript for it. Any chance you could point me to it so I can see what was discussed? Thanks! — Frecklefσσt | Talk 13:53, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Sure.
Wikipedia:User categories for discussion/Archive/April_2007#Category:Wikipedian game programmers
See also: Category:Wikipedian video game developers - jc37 22:01, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WP:RFPP.

Commented here. · AndonicO Engage. 16:57, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Great, thanks. That was driving me nuts. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 17:00, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
People like me don't exist; we're part of the software. ;) · AndonicO Engage. 17:09, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Editing

Hi there, Frecklefoot. I've been reading your wiki pages and discussion and wondered if you might be interested in serving as a technical editor for an upcoming book on the greatest games ever made (to be published by Focal Press). I'm the author of Dungeons & Desktops and my co-author Bill Loguidice has published a multitude of articles on Armchair Arcade and Gamasutra. The pay would be $500. Please let me know if you are interested; prefer email at mattbarton.exe at gmail.com. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattbarton.exe (talkcontribs) 18:21, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll think about it. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 21:09, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] [1]

IMHO Past Simple is suitable (like the present version). Why Past Perfect ?? It couldn't be used here (at least in British En. , don't know maybe in US En. there are different grammar rules, so tell me ;] ). Thanks, Sir Lothar (talk) 21:03, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I am not an English expert, but it was awkward. The change in question:
a number of programmers decided they have had enough and left.
versus:
a number of programmers decided that they'd had enough and left.
The first sounds like the present. The second is clearly in the past. It happened in the past. I don't know why you prefer the former, but it sounds poor to me. If you feel I am greatly in error, bring it up on the Activision talk page. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 21:09, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
You're the boss, you're the native speaker so I won't argue. But why not just Past Simple like: a number of programmers decided they had enough and left. ? Sir Lothar (talk) 23:01, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Well, no one is really "the boss" on Wikipedia. But your past simple change—"they had enough"—would be fine by me. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 11:28, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
No I've meant "boss" because it's your native language from the birth , so you know better than me :). Greets, Sir Lothar (talk) 14:08, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Okay, gotcha. I had no idea you weren't a native English speaker. What is your native, Polish? — Frecklefσσt | Talk 15:27, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Exactly :), Sir Lothar (talk) 22:41, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Oh! I was just "passing through" this page, and came across this interesting thread. Though, am myself not native English speaker, and definitely not an English expert, I'd like to suggest the following "a number of programmers had decided that they (had) had enough, and left". Regards. —KetanPanchaltaLK 09:35, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
That's probably the best wording, though it still has the double "has", but there may be no way around it. I'll change it if it hasn't been greatly improved already. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 12:58, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mambo a Go Go

Bridge words/letters are suppose to be in lowercase regardless of how the title is marketed or formatted by the creator. Can you point to the style guideline or policy or common sense point that says this game gets to have an upper case A? --AeronPrometheus (talk) 21:04, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I'll just fix it later then. -AeronPrometheus (talk) 19:01, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm not really familiar with this game. I just moved it based on how it was capitalized in the game article itself. If it is capitalized Mambo a Go Go by the developer/publisher, then that's the way the page should be capped. But if that's the way it's capped, the article text should match it. Right now, the article has it as Mambo A Go Go. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 19:10, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Ah, well the article needs freshening too probably. I was just bored and doing random Wiki-cleanup work. --AeronPrometheus (talk) 04:57, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned non-free media (Image:X7ModuleCover.jpg)

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[edit] Blast from the past!

Well following is the comment that you'd posted waaaaay baaack on the talk page of an article called Triceps reflex:

"This article is nonsense to the layman. All Wikipedia articles should try to educate readers enough so they understand the contents of the article, at least to some extent. That means explaining jargon and writing in a straight-forward manner. Right now, it looks like it is aimed at an expert. Also, the intro sentence is all wrong. It says what it does, not what it is. All articles should first state what the subject of the article is. The opening sentence:

The tricep reflex tests the patency of the sensory and motor pathways within the C7 & C8 spinal nerves.
Should actually read something like this (just an example):
The tricep reflex is a reflex of the tricep muscles.
Please rewrite the article so it conforms to the above suggestions. — Frecklefoot | Talk 22:54, 12 December 2006 (UTC)"

Keeping in view your comments, I've made a few changes to the article, please do see if you find the article more understandable now. Actually, a lot more work would have to go into not just the said article, but also into articles that link to it. It's very challenging to remain concise, precise and intelligible at the same time when dealing with such topics where too many terms, and more importantly, concepts are involved that are important to understand the article, but don't happen to be their core subjects.

Likewise, if you encounter any other Medicine/Health-related articles that are very difficult to understand, do let me know, I might like to improve them.

Regards.

—KetanPanchaltaLK 09:29, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, it looks better than it did, but it didn't hit the nail in the head. I re-arranged much of what you wrote for greater clarity and to conform to Wikipedia standards. In short:
  • You wikilinked the terms in the title of the article (i.e. Triceps reflex), a big no-no. Words in terms being defined should never be wikilinked. If you want to wikilink them, it can done later in the article, as it is done in the article.
  • You said the reflex is tested in the opening sentence. You didn't say what it is. The opening sentence of any article should first always explain what the subject is. This is covered in the Manual of Style.
I hope I didn't mangle the definition with my change. You may want to check the change. Regards! — Frecklefσσt | Talk 13:18, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi! All the changes you've made to the article are absolutely agreeable. While adding to the article, my major aim was to provide the additional information to make the article understandable. May be had I returned to it, I might have made further changes. But, of course, which is not to mean that your changes were not impressive. In fact, I was very impressed with them. The only disagreement would be that I'd have liked the various maintenance tags to remain as actually the tendon reflexes are very important topics in medicine (and I was really appalled to see the standard of this as well as other tendon reflex articles). Thanks and regards. —KetanPanchaltaLK 16:58, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
You can put the tags back in, but you really should explain on the Talk page what needs to done to improve the article. The tag without any explanations is nearly useless. Cheers! — Frecklefσσt | Talk 17:05, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WP:Sims

I have put up a vote for WP:Sims. for the format of the WP:sims. ElectricalVandilize Me 16:15, 14 June 2008 (UTC)