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[edit] Oge

The information about the character Oge comes from the Japanese Famitsu Magazine.[1]

Sorry, I can't locate this in the magazine nor any online copy. I have the issue where Tingle RPG was announced in Weekly Famitsu right here, and I showed it to our Japanese Zelda friends who've translated some of the manga, and there is no mention of Oge. There is also no Famitsu.com page. Until you can provide indisputable evidence, the info is stricken unless somebody has a good reason to keep it in without an official source. --TSA 09:04, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] cancelled!

Word is out that this game has been cancelled by Nintendo. I have updated the page to reflect these changes.

Errr... has the game been "officially" cancelled? Aside from a short interview (that is rumored to be part of a poor April Fool's Joke), has there been any official word on such a cancellation? 71.124.8.238 17:01, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
First of all, as the webmaster of Hyrule.net I'm not very keen on being stated as the source of the interview. We have only published it, giving a (normally) good source the benefit of the doubt. This we have also stated in the news item. I am awaiting the next couple of days first though, to see if this is an April Fool's joke or not. Then we can see what to do next. For now, I've put the old version back. -- Hyrule 23:39, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
You certainly have a point there, but honestly April Fool's jokes normally have an altogether different nature. Let's just wait and see how this will turn out.
I know TSA (the one who did the interview) and the situation, so that's why I gather it's probably fake. We'll see and I'll make sure to keep you on-topic -- Hyrule 23:39, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

It was fake. End of story. -- Hyrule 08:29, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

It was real,and got released -- Luigi128 8:37, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A/an

"A RPG" doesn't make any sense. It's like saying "a astronaut" or "a apple". Triforce of Power 16:56, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Depends on the way you pronounce it. A roleplaying game makes perfect sense, but "a ar-pee-dszee" doesn't.Image:Weather rain.pngSoothingR 18:21, 23 January 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Stub?

I was just wondering. This article is said to be a stub, and it's true that it's short, but it does contain ALL information there is about Tingle RPG. If that information is little at this moment, then that's how it is. Is it still to be considered a stub then? Hyrule 2:52, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Interesting question. Be bold and remove it if you like, it's not an issue either way until the game comes out in English. -- stillnotelf has a talk page 02:54, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Retarded?!

Sooo....Why was it fake?!!? Kurtle 17:32, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

What was fake was the rumor that it got cancelled. It didn't, it has been released in japan, and as far as know it is coming to north america and europe. JDub90 01:31, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] We don't link to fan sites when possible.

The information found on all the sites was originally published on Famitsu.com. This information has since been copied onto other sites. The Land of the Legend URL is not required anymore because an official source with the information has been located. Martin, I know you knew this as you had images on your site from this page. Please, this is not about advertising your site or increasing traffic. This is a general information database for knowledge. You can credit yourself for translating it, but please, keep the self-advertising to a minimum. It is getting a bit obnoxious. --TSA 03:04, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Besides the wrong definition of lotl, I think it would only be usefull to link to famitsu when Japanese is the primary world language. Hyrule 04:00, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Until you get official translations, or have somebody who is proficient in Japanese translate that is familiar enough with Zelda and is trustworthy, the neutrality of the information provided by fan sites will be up for dispute. It is best to cite the Japanese source since we have NO OFFICIAL INFO in English yet. It's only Japanese. --TSA 00:58, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
I agree. I don't like the fact that it is the owner of the web site that's pushing the link, it feels like link spam in sheep's clothing. - A Link to the Past (talk) 02:30, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Logo

That image is from Famitsu, and is property of Nintendo Company, Ltd. Just because it is "cropped" does not mean it is courtesy of a fan site or property of a fan site. The credit goes to Famitsu, which first published the image, and (C) holding belongs to NCL. --TSA 00:55, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Motion to lock this article from user Hyrule

Is there a way to restrict certain members from editing an article if there is sustainable and suitable evidence they are vandalizing the page? Hyrule has consitently added in a piece of information that is unverifiable, as well as dropping a link to their site when it is not warranted (unless they can cite their source of this character "Oge"). It is getting really old and tiresome having to have myself and everyone else who is serious about this article continue to revert back to previous edits - it is obvious this is going to stay an edit war. --72.194.64.184 08:14, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

User reported to Administration for violation of 3RR. --TSA 08:27, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Anyone who is serious about anything, would ignore your, sorry to say, pathetic personal issues. LotL is a recognized professional media outlet and has a name of being reliable. That you, and certainly TSA who is known to have hated them ever since they started, want to take your personal issues to Wikipedia is nothing more then pathetic and that you don't want to acknowledge them, says nothing about them. If you continue this personal war, I will personally address this to the administrators and I am certain I won't be the only one. Stop being a cry baby. Whether it's jealousy or just wanting to be annoying, stop it. This is not the place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.84.165.78 (talk • contribs)
Any further sockpuppetry with alternate IP addresses while your main account (User:Hyrule) has been blocked for a WP:3RR violation will not be tolerated. --Madchester 15:55, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
My personal feelings for Land of the Legend have nothing to do with my resolve to ensure Wikipedia remains a factual, reliable source for information to all who visit it. If it were Zelda Universe, Zelda Legends or any other Zelda fan site doing what you are doing, I would take the same actions. Indiscriminate enforcement of Wiki's guidelines on verifiable sources is not a person grudge, nor should it be misinterpreted as one. If you have other issues, please bring them forth on my usertalk or contact me in private. --TSA 19:36, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Because someone agrees with me it's a sock-something? Don't be rediculous...
If you wanna rave on about something you either don't understand, or can't accept, that's your problem. But do us all a favour and stop your rediculous acts about it here. Hyrule 07:37, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Actually it's the similar (poor) writing style and repetition of the same stupid, boring "personal problems" "argument" that makes it likely to be you. And talking of not understanding, you seem to continually fail to understand the entire problem with your edits: It is not acceptable for you to add links to landofthelegend as it is your own site. Also, with the exception of yourself, most editors of Zelda articles do not find landofthelegend a suitably reliable source. Please, stop this, it's getting incredibly tiresome. — Ian Moody (talk) 12:29, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Look around all the discussions. Everywhere it is acknowledged by the editors here to be a reliable source, not even talking about the general reputation.
I do not care if it's my own site or not. I like to keep wikipedia correct and if that means including that site, so be it. I don't want to see it messed up because of your stubborn behaviour. :::::If you can't accept facts, find another planet to live on.Hyrule 15:55, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Please don't spam Wikipedia with your personal website(s). If the site is a reliable source, then you can rely on other Wiki-editors to be referencing the site. There's no need for you to be referring to your own site if that is the case. --Madchester 18:17, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't want information removed from this article by a bunch of whiners. As long as Wikipedia wants it's sources cited, thus must be done. And as long as IGN is linked to, there needs to be a source to counter their bullshit. Hyrule 19:14, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Why all this commotion? We should be glad that someone who knows what he's talking about is contributing his knowledge and is honest about it. I don't see a reason to mess up an article like this. There are two editors here who complain about it's reliability, when there are so much more here who acknowledge it. I am curious, why aren't any of those questions answered? I think it's a bit unfair. That's my two cents. JackSparrow Ninja 19:43, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Semi-protection

This page has been semi-protected to prevent continued edit warring by certain users. Please refer to WP:RS and propose a resolution amongst yourselves before an asking an admin to remove protection. --Madchester 20:44, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

You are sickingly hypocrytical. You've broken the 3R something rule.
The one and only reason there is an edit war going on, is because this article is being vandalized and information, is being removed. Hyrule 21:47, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
My apologies, I guess I agree that someone whose only edits to Wikipedia have been pretty much to advertise the website.
Could you, for one moment, explain why your website is needed? Why we NEED to see your website, which is just a Zelda fan site, over IGN who already covers all of the things you say with the exception of Oge, which has no sources to account for? You have constantly and consistently referred to the removal of your linkspam as vandalism and damaging the article. We lack any need for someone who only demands that every irrational want is fulfilled and call anyone who denies your wants is a vandal or is destroying their article solely because they want to actually follow the rules of Wikipedia. - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:19, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
May I ask why they are called a fansite when they are not? They state they aren't, they are a registered company, and they have a name of being reliable. I do not see why we should exclude information because someone calls it a fansite. JackSparrow Ninja 22:40, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Registering as a business is does not make a site "official" or a "credible" source. All it means is you pax taxes, are registered with your government, and can conduct business. It is not the determining factor of your reliability. Land of the Legend has made up false information before to obtain traffic, and spammed other boards/sites with links to it. They have no proof that Oge exists except "we said so". They've never had an exclusive bit of information that was later confirmed by a major gaming news site such as IGN, GameSpot, GameSpy, 1UP.com or GameInformer.com. I mean, if being quoted and used as a source for news makes you verifiable and official - then my site is an "official, reliable" news site because IGN and 1UP.com have used my stories before - but even more so, some of my feature articles have been used in other stories on these sites...I've yet to see LotL have this happen. I'm keeping this out of the Zelda Community because they don't need to deal with stupid drama and politics, but this is Wiki, and I won't stand for LotL's BS and money-making tactics on a franchise they whore out and have no right to just because they're in a region of the world where Nintendo's entity is pathetic and can't enforce anything. Sorry, but until LotL has a reputation of something other than a site that has to copy others and use others for 90% of their content, they're still a basic fan site with no noteworthy credibility in giving out exclusive information without a verifiable source. --TSA 17:08, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry to say TSA, but if anyone hasn't got a word in this it's you. You are one of the last people to have the name of being reliable and in every discussion you're biased. But I am interested though, what false information have they ever made up according to you? To my knowledge, and I've known them for a year or so now, they have been 100% accurate all the time.
  • awaits a response of user Hyrule as well* JackSparrow Ninja 17:31, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
What false information? This is why you shouldn't be speaking. Now avert your eyes if you wish to remain in denial Land of the Legend's Hoax. Not only was it done at a time during a major news drought, they posted the story all over message boards and elsewhere, and even asked people to comment on the photo. When they were called out and even admitted it was fake, they tried to justify that the hoax was warranted. They've also had several stories (which sadly are no longer on their new site, and are no longer valid URLs from Wiki references) which had no proper citation of a source except "our source". --TSA 22:31, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
I said it once, I said it twice, I said it a thousand times. It's about the removal of (extra) information. That's what pisses me off. There's no alternate source stated, the information is simply removed. That is vandalism.
And stop the rediculous 'your site'. Less then 5% of our average comes from external links (in total). Do you think I care about 4 more hits that might come from Wikipedia?
In the case of Tingle- LotL, unlike IGN, has the correct translation of the name. LotL, unlike IGN, has the (translated) screenshots. Talking about reliability, it was IGN who claimed at some point the game was cancelled when LotL knew and said it wasn't.
The same is seen with, for instance, Twilight Princess. FYI, unlike IGN, LotL didn't have over 15 'confirmed' releasedates.
About reliability. Besides the fact that in previous discussions, two editors themselves have stated LotL is reliable, I like to challenge you to proof me different. If LotL is as unreliable as you claim, that shouldn't be very hard.
As for something mr Damiani (gasp, he does know how to spell someone's name correctly) can't comprehense. If you think something like this, with the 'excuse', is set up in a day, it does explain how your actions are always so easy to see through, but says more about you then about the action. The goal and the explanation was clear. It wasn't put on the HNN news listing. If it were a hoax, wouldn't it be spread as news to other sites? Would we offer the guy who found out, if we wouldn't want it to happen, to report for us at E3 if it was a bad thing he did? Doesn't really make sense does it? It may come as a shock to you TSA, but the world is bigger then southern US of A.
To name just a few outlets (that I know of): German GamePro Magazine, Dutch Power Unlimited magazine, Advance Media Network, Revolution Europe, GamesFM (dutch radio), CubeZone (dutch semi-official Nintendo site).
To mention a few correct news items:
  • The Zelda part of the interview with the French Nintendo manager which was deleted from JeuxFrance upon request of Nintendo -leading to TSA badmouthing Hyrule- and was later confirmed to be true and more importantly, the content. Which was Revolution compatibility with TP.
  • The comment of Miyamoto on how the Revolution functions would work, with the bow/arrow and boomerang. E3 showed us correct.
  • At E3, Miyamoto's comment on the differences between the GC and Wii version of TP. Recently confirmed in Nintendo Power.
  • At E3, the releasedate of Phantom Hourglass. One week later confirmed on the Nintendo press room and a few days after on the official site.
Just to name a few. You judge for yourself if we know what we're talking about or not. Hyrule 07:35, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I said it once, I said it twice, I said it a thousand times. It's about the removal of (extra) information. That's what pisses me off. There's no alternate source stated, the information is simply removed. That is vandalism. - The information being removed, which has repeatedly been pointed out by four members here now, is not confirmed nor from a "credible" source. Wiki admins already stated your site is not a news/media outlet, but a fansite. If you wish to argue this, please go bring your case before the Wiki adminis.
And stop the rediculous 'your site'. Less then 5% of our average comes from external links (in total). Do you think I care about 4 more hits that might come from Wikipedia? - I'm not sure about the traffic claim, but I have personally noticed in the last three months, a spike in your site being used as references, when I had been reading the same information on 1UP.com or IGN. I'm quite sure they had the info before your site, so I was confused as to why they were being ommitted.
In the case of Tingle- LotL, unlike IGN, has the correct translation of the name. - Actually, as pointed out by Nintendo itself, the title is not available in English, so any such translation is fan-speculation. Your edits were pushing it as the official title, which was untrue.
LotL, unlike IGN, has the (translated) screenshots. Talking about reliability, it was IGN who claimed at some point the game was cancelled when LotL knew and said it wasn't. - IGN didn't claim it was cancelled, to the best of my knowledge. As for screenshots, you took watermarked photos from Famitsu - a (C) infringement that fansites have the "luxury" of getting away with. Using watermarked photos on a corporate site is grounds for a lawsuit. Since you claim your site is a "news" site and business, I'm shocked you use watermarked images. That's just another testimony to the fact your site is only a fansite.
The same is seen with, for instance, Twilight Princess. FYI, unlike IGN, LotL didn't have over 15 'confirmed' releasedates. - Release dates are always updated. You can't blame a site for repeatedly editing the dates as news changes.
About reliability. Besides the fact that in previous discussions, two editors themselves have stated LotL is reliable, I like to challenge you to proof me different. If LotL is as unreliable as you claim, that shouldn't be very hard. - You're completely missing the point. You could be Jesus, telling us information - but if nobody has heard of you, and you have no established track record in the press of your trade/industry, it is a general rule of thumb to get indepedent or second party verification. In the big world of news, The Associated Press or Rueters is what sites use to verify information - they're both established, credible sources. When you see a story on joe-schmoe site, if it says "Courtesy of AP" or "Source: Reuters", then you know you can go check those sites. Sites like CNN, ESPN, etc all can be trusted because their news is held to a high degree of scrutiny - it is almost impossible to "Fake" news and not suffer dire consequences. Fact checking is also a key ingredient to this "reliable source". Sadly, the gaming industry has probably the worst news reporting on earth, and because of this, many blogs and fan sites feel they can be reputable sources just because they have a few "exclusives". When the truth is, you need a dedicated news team monitorin RSS feeds, newswires, getting verification from other sources, etc. As pointed out, Hyrule.net, your former name, had at least three-to-four reports of questionable accuracy, and yet it seems your site still churns along. Because of the relative barrier to getting in trouble for fake information, it is generally a good rule of thumb to only trust corporate news sites in the gaming industry with a track record, and gaming company's themselves. Usually official info is passed down through press releases from gaming sites like Nintendo, Square-Enix, SEGA, Namco or whomever. If you asked industry experts who the reputable, reliable news sites were - 1UP, IGN, GameSpy, GameStop and Famitsu would come up on your list of "sites" in that list. Your site just has a lot going against it - history of shady reporting, the fact it is a site dedicated to solely one franchise (Zelda), which is illegal to make into a business without permission, and it does seem your content is, for the most part, unoriginal and taken not even from official press sources, but ripped from other fan sites. Hence, I wager you will not be able to establish yourself as a true "news" site until you expand coverage, and up your standards and quality of the site content.
As for something mr Damiani (gasp, he does know how to spell someone's name correctly) can't comprehense. If you think something like this, with the 'excuse', is set up in a day, it does explain how your actions are always so easy to see through, but says more about you then about the action. The goal and the explanation was clear. It wasn't put on the HNN news listing. If it were a hoax, wouldn't it be spread as news to other sites? Would we offer the guy who found out, if we wouldn't want it to happen, to report for us at E3 if it was a bad thing he did? Doesn't really make sense does it? It may come as a shock to you TSA, but the world is bigger then southern US of A. - Your English is a bit...weird in that last paragraph, so I am having a hard time getting what you meant. But I think I got the last part, something about their being more than the USA. That is very true, but you have to understand Asia and North America are the biggest markets for gaming, and that the majority of news outlets who are reliable also operate out of these regions. I believe maybe Jeux-France is the only other gaming news agency I've heard of. We've seen incorrect reports from NOE's "Official Nintendo Magazine" and NOM's "Club Nintendo" reports. If the official branches of Nintendo in these regions can't get the news right, how can other news sources in this region fair much better? In truth, the majority of the news on foreign sites comes from the US or from Japan. Occassionally, there are events in Europe which provide exclusive, breaking news to the rest of the world, but it's very rare. Europe has a lot of work to do in the gaming realm to catch up to Asia and North America.
To name just a few outlets (that I know of): German GamePro Magazine, Dutch Power Unlimited magazine, Advance Media Network, Revolution Europe, GamesFM (dutch radio), CubeZone (dutch semi-official Nintendo site). - Again, GamePro is the only one who really would be known by most, and it's just a German extension of GamePro, based in North America. The others are relative newcomers and are no different than sites like Kotaku, GoNintendo or Joystiq - they're still very news and need to establish a track record. You'll notice IGN, 1UP and GameSpot always say "GoNintendo reported this - but we could not verify it" or something to that extent. It means the news is speculative in the eyes of most prominent news agencies with track records, and it means the second party couldn't verify it, which makes it very questionable.
The Zelda part of the interview with the French Nintendo manager which was deleted from JeuxFrance upon request of Nintendo -leading to TSA badmouthing Hyrule- and was later confirmed to be true and more importantly, the content. Which was Revolution compatibility with TP. - Actually, one of our staff contacted a spokesperson with NOE, and it seems there was a discrepancy in JF's report, and what was really said. Jeux-France was under no obligation to retract the interview once it was made public - unless they signed something. But Nintendo just asking them to take it down was like Square-Enix telling everyone in North America to not report on Valkeryie Profile 2 - out in Japan now - to prevent spoilers. Freedom of the press. Thus, many sites, like IGN and 1UP, refused to report on the story because they honestly believed, according to their Nintendo sources, the story was partially fabricated or exaggerated.
The comment of Miyamoto on how the Revolution functions would work, with the bow/arrow and boomerang. E3 showed us correct. - I remember reading that. How hard is it to "guess" that? Perhaps if you added "the sword is not fully used, but the spin attack is initiated by the nunchuck, and the down-thrust with the Wiimote", it would have seemed, in retrospect, like a very credible report and something to cite when people doubted your credibility.
At E3, Miyamoto's comment on the differences between the GC and Wii version of TP. Recently confirmed in Nintendo Power. - I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at. I never saw any report on your site stating, outright, the differences between GCN/Wii TP versions. The info was given out at the press conference at E3. So I'm confused what you mean by this point.
At E3, the releasedate of Phantom Hourglass. One week later confirmed on the Nintendo press room and a few days after on the official site. - Again, your site wasn't the first to claim this, nor did you claim it before the date was given. In fact, IGN speculated at GDC it would be out in December 2006 - that's what stick's out in my mind about the release date.
It seems like you believe reporting accurate news, already given out, is how you are reputable? That's part of it, but all your "exclusive" info must also be correct. That fake screenshot, in particular, really did a number in the eyes of other sites, like IGN/1UP/Gamespy in terms of your credibility with exclusive info. It was done at such a poor time (not even close to April Fools), that if you haven't noticed, I don't think any info from your site has ever been cited on bigger news sites. Not to play sides here, I've seen info on two other Zelda fansites, in the past three months, appear on major gaming news sites - Zelda Universe (their forums were cited, a member had some info and a scan), and the site you appear to be at arms with, The Hylia (new NP info about Phantom Hourglass was on IGN and 1UP). I'm sure others will point this out, but this site isn't about "who did what first", and "who's who". If info is questionable, such a this Oge fella, do not post it, but leave an open discussion about it - and when the info is confirmed by say, Nintendo, post the reference as "first posted by (insert your info here) and confirmed by (insert source here). Then, you still get credit for the report, and people see it is verified. In case you haven't noticed, even info by IGN/EGM, whomever gets replaced eventually with Official Nintendo or whomever's reports or press releases should the info be questionable. Just be patient - if Oge appears, you were right, and people will back off. If you were wrong, then, well...people here who took all this action weren't just holding a grudge.

[edit] Request for Comment on landofthelegend.net links in Zelda articles

Prior discussion:

  1. User talk:Ian Moody#Landofthelegend.net
  2. Talk:The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass#External links again
  3. Talk:Mogitate Tingle no Barairo Rupee Land#Motion to lock this article from user Hyrule
  4. Talk:The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess#Latest edits

Related prior discussion:

22:58, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

  • The discussions speak for themselves, but for me it comes down to a few points.
  1. As discussed, the main problem with citing one's own personal Web site is the potential for abuse. There is no reputation, no fact-checking, no editorial board, just the Web site owner citing himself. I would turn the other cheek, if it weren't for the fact that examples of such abuse have occurred with respect to LotL, specifically in the Zelda Revolution and Zelda Wii issues. Rumors were fabricated on the LotL, then listed as fact in the article with LotL as the citation. Both of those articles as well as the information in the main article had to be deleted.
  2. The user adding the links has sometimes been informative and helpful, but more often has been vulgar and combative.
  3. On more than one occassion it appears that the user adding the links has used sockpuppets in order to add supporting discussion or to get around 3RR violations. I can't really prove this, but the anonymous IP posts that show up supporting this user read suspiciously, and I'm not the only one catching it.

I realize the last two are more about the user than the Web site, but in practicality it is all the same issue.

The Yar 19:50, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

It seems that this uncivil user is trying to link to his own website, with a few red herrings (e.g. [2], when the Nintendo site already says "2 player simultaneous"). If it is a continuing problem, consider filing a User RfC. Most of his edits seem to be related to the website, with a few speculative game mentions thrown in. A website could be an okay source if it were active, widely known and such, but this one looks like it could be just him and maybe some friends, despite the assertion that it has grown since May 2005 to be "the number one source of Zelda information around the world". —Centrx→talk • 02:08, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tingle RPG Japanese site

The official Japanese site launched today, and there is a lot of info on the game if you can translate it. We will need an unlock soon. --TSA 07:13, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree on the unlock. Now if someone would actually comment on the issue, we'd actually get somewhere. This is annoying. JackSparrow Ninja 11:12, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
I've reopened the article again. Good luck with the translation :).—♦♦ SʘʘTHING(Я) 13:13, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Tingle is actually a no-name character according to all the info I showed Zethar-II, the most-widely known Zelda translator in the fan community, who helped decipher the Zelda Box and all the Hylian in The Wind Waker beyond the dialogue. The name "Oge" appears in nothing, Zethar said he is just "nameless". Unless Oge means "nameless" in Japanese, I don't see where Land of the Legend got this info. Also, apparently the "tower" in the screenshot is raised by Tingle tossing rupees into the pond of happiness, which leads me to believe the tower is the path to Rupee Land, and the goal of the game is to aquire as many rupees as possible to build a path to "heaven". Tingle also has to "spend" rupees to open up new areas or to help people out, which in turn opens up new items and areas. Tingle dies if he loses all his rupees as part of a curse the Rupee Gramps, or Old Man Rupee, put on Tingle. Tingle is also only Tingle because he agreed to the Old Man's deal, and the old man used magic to transform the main character into Tingle. Also, Pinkle uses a computer to contact Tingle, but her motive/backstory is not elaborated upon. Source, with citations --TSA 01:54, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

In the Url, they Mispelled Tingle as Tincle.
The Oge part they've already restated. [3]
- When Tingle throws enough Rupees into "the Spring", a tower will emerge from its depth.
- Since Tingle doesn't have a good arm in fighting, he will need to bribe bodyguards for battles.
- Like when you are attacked by rats in The Wind Waker, taking damage will cause you to lose Rupees.
- Because of a 'curse' that comes with his Tingle appearance, Tingle will die when he runs out of Rupees.
The game is all about keeping the Balance of your income and expenses.
Income: From the countless boring days Tingle's skills will appear! Winning battles, selling various trade goods from/to shop owners, helping people in need of aid, and creating maps are all the skills to master to make your wallet fat!!
Expenses: With your life on the line when losing money, your expenses are as crucial as your income. But to continue you must use your money in buying products to sell, ingredients for your kitchen etc. But if you become selfish and don't use some of your expenses, in the end you will suffer losses as well. [4] JackSparrow Ninja 20:22, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Release Date

Famitsu.com Announces the date (note - edited out spam link to Land of the Legend - I am referring to their original URL in my comments below)

You do realize this was on Jeux-France first, and on Famitsu before that? Seriously...why the hell do you need to link to your damn site? Even if we don't read Japanese or understand it:

任天堂 対応機種 ニンテンドーDS 発売日 2006年9月2日発売予定 価格 4800円［税込］ ジャンル RPG / 冒険 備考

That's still visible, which anyone normal gamer who's been around for awhile can decipher the release date in that info, especially when 4800 and the yen sign appears above it... --TSA 06:21, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Edit: If you can't type in proper North American English, since this is the USA/English WIKIPEDIA site, please refrain from editing, please.

Reply to "Edit": This is not the US Wikipedia, it is the English Wikipedia. There is only en.wikipedia, no us.wikipedia so we have to share. Liam Markham (talk) 21:30, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Origin of Japanese title

ルッピーランド is a blend made from ルピー(rupee) and ハッピーランド(happy land). So, I think it is "Ruppee Land" or "Ruppy Land".

What is your point? Rupee Land is exactly what is stated. JackSparrow Ninja 06:07, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
I think his point is that the portmanteau should be made clear through the spelling of Rupee, making it something like the spelling of 'happy' to illustrate the point. I disagree, however. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.72.20.191 (talk) 04:53, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] New subsection: "Release outside of Japan?"

I added this as many people are wondering whether or not this game will come stateside, and recent NoA activities show that they're considering doing that if fan reaction is strong enough. If anyone has any disagreements, anything to add, or anything of the nature of, y'know, doin' stuff to it, feel free. -The Hams 18:54, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

In the newest Famitsu Issue, it confirms that the game is being realeased stateside. - Luigi128 10:22, 28 December (UTC)

[edit] Tinkle?

Does anyone else think that should be mentioned on this article that Tingle's real name is Tinkle? Especially since, even in the Romaji the article still has listed at Tingle, when anyone who knows Katakana can see that is Tinkle? Just a suggestion. What does anyone else think?

How about no? His name is Tingle, it has been so in 6 games and it is so in the title of this game, as is also acknowledged by Nintendo of America. JackSparrow Ninja 22:23, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

But his name in the Japanese version is Tinkle. And this is a Japanese game, so it should be mentioned that his real name is Tinkle, at least when writing the name out in Japanese.

My name in Japanese would also be different, that's a cultural difference. This is the English Wiki, so we use the English names. If you want this included, you should make a note on the Tingle page at most. JackSparrow Ninja 20:26, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

This may be English Wiki but we are talking about a Japanese game. At least in the Romanized Japanese title of the game we should say what's actually called, not what Nintendo of America decided to change his name is. It would be different if this game had come out in America.

There is no English name, so we can't rename the article.—♦♦ SʘʘTHING(Я) 08:01, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Tinkle isn't how Tingle comes out romanized, it'd be CHINGURU instead of CHINKURU if that were the case, so this article should say Tinkle in all places, with an offside (known as Tingle in the US).

That would go against WP:UE. --67.71.78.24 04:14, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
The name "Tingle" is acknowledged in Japan.—ウルタプ 04:18, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spoily ending

I made the original spoiler edit to the last paragraph of the overview. CBM reverted with "Anyone who reads to the end of the overview section is expecting to find out the ending; the spoiler tag is not necessary here per WP:SPOILER" but I don't see any such guideline at WP:SPOILER. (I did not un-revert CBM's reversion, that was done by someone else.) In the meantime, the overview contains paragraphs that are all the same sort of information one would find in preview articles about the game. The last paragraph, which I'd marked, involves a key character becoming the player's enemy in the game's finale. Surely this constitutes a spoiler?

WP:Spoiler does say "Spoiler warnings are usually redundant when used in "Plot", "Synopsis" or (fictional) "History" headings of any sort in articles whose subject is fictional. To insert a spoiler warning in sections of this kind requires a compelling reason. These sections should never have blanket spoiler warnings covering the whole section." Perhaps a more suitable thing to do would be to split the "Overview" section into "Plot" and "Gameplay" sections, but neither would need spoiler tags either, as per the aforementioned WP:Spoiler ruling. --Zooba 19:42, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm in favor of this change.
Fair enough. I'll see about what constitutes what and how to make the new sections flow. Oh, and by the by, you should probably sign your comments by typing --~~~~ after them. --Zooba 19:06, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Seems very spoilery to me, and also in the description of the character itself. Neither are "plot", "synopsis" or "history", I was expecting a brief overview of the game and characters, not a description of the end boss fight and the twist that the game takes to get there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.188.251.108 (talk) 12:38, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Boxart

Er, could we get English boxart or is French all there is for now?—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 21:52, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

That's all we've got, it would appear. --Zooba 20:19, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help

Can anyone who uses the Queen's English please modify this article to use it? Thanks. - A Link to the Past (talk) 17:44, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Such as... how exactly? I mean, I'm British, and I pretty much wrote the article as how it is now. --Zooba 05:00, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, since there's often a bias towards American English, I wanted to make this post, just in case. - A Link to the Past (talk) 18:10, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Initially called by his "real" name

...which is? Seems kind of odd to mention that he's "initially called by his real name" but not mention what his real name even IS! Or is he not given a "real" name? In that case that line wouldn't make a lot of sense... 63.215.28.146 03:48, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I believer the player inputs Tingle's "real" name, even though the game barely uses it. 86.149.123.70 16:58, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure what his real name is. Once the game is released in Europe next week much more info about it will be available. If Tingle's "real" name is whatever the player inputs, it'll be easy to change to "initially called by his 'real' name (something inputted by the player)", or if it is something else we can just add it in parenthesis also. --Zooba 13:05, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Replacing links for no reason?

This change that Zooba made puzzles me in one respect: why was the link to N-Sider changed to GoNintendo? Both sites had exactly the same content, drawn from the same source--though N-Sider's was formatted far better (as opposed to cut-and-pasted from a table into a mess of text) and GoNintendo had additional PR text that doesn't even relate to this title. The second link, regarding the game's new (actually just repunctuated) title, makes sense, but the first seems completely gratuitous. Assuming good faith, could you justify this action, Zooba?

I can't remember why I did it, but I think I might have believed that the press-release was a better source, perhaps being more "official"...? Either way, I don't see why it should bother you very much, but maybe that's just me. --Zooba 18:33, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Erm... now, why was it changed back? "Assuming good faith", how can you support this action? --Zooba 06:55, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
I didn't do it.

[edit] Eiji Aonuma's statement on the localization

I didn't have enough space in the edit history description box, so I'd thought I'd bring the matter up here. Simply said, what's wrong with using "The Hylia" as a source? It has already been brought up that there were three other sources which contradict The Hylia, but out of those, Electronic Gaming Magazine is unofficial, I'm not sure of the nature of Nintendo Power's coverage (and whether or not they state a release date), and although ONM can't review games that aren't coming out in the UK (me thinks), the game was not out by the March 2007 release date they stated. If it has been agreed in Wikipedia's CVG sphere that The Hylia is an unreliable source (as it appears to have been with "Land of the Legend"), I will agree that the link should be removed. If not, then I don't think it should be. --Zooba 19:21, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I've been reading up on the matter a bit, and I'm not sure the lotl-discussion had really been concluded. But that aside.
The problem is not so much with The Hylia, I am sorry if it seems like that, but with the statement itself.
I didn't know EGM reported on an English release, but that makes it 4 sources that have stated that an English version of the game is in the making: Cub3d, EGM, ONM and LotL. Besides the fact Aonuma was not involved in this game, it is highly unlikely that if 4 sources are told that the game is in the make -which ends up being correct, three months the game really is not in development.
Regardless if the statement was made by Aonuma, it does not reflect the history of the game's development. 80.57.252.45 12:38, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
EGM published a rumour about the game's release, so that's not that reliable either. I can't find the Cubed3 source, so that leaves us with ONM and Land of the Legend against The Hylia, the latter two having questionable validity. At the end of the day, I don't mind taking out the reference, if the website proves unreliable. --Zooba 16:32, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
I've rewritten the section with the references.
I'm also gonna add the NoA questionaire a bit later. First need to find it.
Whether or not considered a rumour at the time, regardless of which source you speak of, it turned out to be true. Considering the time it takes to translate an RPG -into multiple languages (Europe), it's much more likely -from our side- that Nintendo was working/planning it 9 months before it's release, then that they were not 6 months ahead of the release, and changed their minds in three months. That is, if Eiji Aonuma would indeed know Nintendo outside of his own Japanese office, was not planning a game he did not work on. 80.57.252.45 18:27, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
I've reverted the edit, because in some instances it was wrong (the game was reviewed in the March 2007 issue of ONM) and also because Land of the Legend has already been discussed regarding reliability, and is generally considered unreliable. It should probably not be used. Nonetheless, the fact of the matter is that The Hyrule is a reliable source until it is disproven as such. Therefore, there is no reason to delete it as a source. Furthermore, Eiji Aonuma did not work on Tingle RPG, and could therefore not have known about recent developments on the game. --Zooba 18:50, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and I also feel that "Localization into English" is a bit of an unnecessary title. What's wrong with "Localization"? --Zooba 20:11, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
"Furthermore, Eiji Aonuma did not work on Tingle RPG, and could therefore not have known about recent developments on the game."
Thus it is a completely useless comment in the article.
About the sources, don't you think it's kind of strange to call the source that was correct in this case unreliable, and the source that was incorrect, reliable? 80.57.252.45 20:22, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Okay. I now agree about the Eiji Aonuma quote. But Land of the Legend has, numerous times, been called down for a lack of reliability. I don't think it's worth including a link to it in the article. The NOA interview would be good (I believe a link is on an older version of the page), but the main concern is making sure the paragraph doesn't read like timeline (ie. On 5th September XYZ.... On 7th September XYZ.... On 12th September XYZ...). --Zooba 20:37, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm glad you understand me =) *gives cookie*
I've read the various discussions about LotL, and it appears that it's nothing more then people just disliking the website. I haven't once seen anybody acknowledge the reliable reports that have been made, which are there without a doubt. This game is one example of that. I don't mean to get into a whole discussion, but I think it would be good for Wikipedia to act objectively, and not based on personal preferences.
For example, Osama Bin Laden might not be the world's most loved person, but that doesn't mean he is an unreliable source when it comes to the Taliban.
Having followed the development of this game well myself, I know that in early 2007, it were the news reports of Cubed AND LotL that Zelda-fans (most i know at least) held on to in hope for the release. It has, in my opinion -regardless of which site you like- a place in the reporting on this game, since it was so exclusive to these two website. 80.57.252.45 21:20, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
The claims are that they don't reference their sources, and make up unreliable claims. Just looking through the site proves that the first claim is true, which also makes it harder to disprove the second. And I disagree that Cubed3 and LotL were looked to the most - unless you have proof, of course. Ultimately, I believe Wikipedia is acting objectively when it decides that, since LotL is unreliable in at least one count, it is much better to find other reliable sources than dodgy ones. Furthermore, just because LotL said something which turned out to be right doesn't make it worthy of inclusion. --Zooba 21:52, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
IGN doesn't reference their sources either. The Hylia didn't either in the case before.
In which account was LotL unreliable then?
Why doesn't an unreliable newspost from The Hylia exclude them?
Which other website or magazine reported on the English version then? I didn't see that.
What I'm trying to say is, that it's not very objectively and above all, not very acurate to dismiss information because it comes from LotL, even if they have -as far as I can see- a clean track record when it comes to the truthfulness of their reports. Of course that counts from all sources, but in this case we're talking about LotL. 80.57.252.45 22:06, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
The Hylia appears to reference in most of their most recent posts. Therefore, they are at least better than LotL in that respect. Furthermore, IGN is different. They are a big corporation which has many industry connections - LotL is a fan site. It's not that LotL is worthy because they were one of the few sources that commented on Tingle RPG, but rather they should be worthy because they are a reliable source, which is very much debatable. Wikipedia:Reliable sources states that "Reliable publications are those with an established structure for fact-checking and editorial oversight.", something I don't think LotL shows, especially without stating its sources. Furthermore, it states "Sources should be appropriate to the claims made: exceptional claims require exceptional sources." - I do not think that LotL is so good a source that it got confirmation via Nintendo itself (as I believe it stated - it didn't even suggest it got the news from a mole), and I don't think that its history of reliability, or lack thereof, supports such an exceptional claim. --Zooba 18:30, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Freshly Picked Tingle Cover.jpg

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Tingle RPG home screenshot.jpg

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