Talk:Fresh off the boat
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Not sure where the "fresh" is from. The term "off the boat" has been long used in terms of geneology discussions, amongst people. It's easy. My parents were born in the US; my grandparents were 1 born here, 3 off the boat. Where they came from is known, doesn't matter. The term seems to now matter...like there's nothing else to think about, or important going on. It's a figure of speech; whoever made it matter...boo.
[edit] FOB poem
There once was a man named bob. Most people thought he was a FOB. But he was cool And they failed at school So they were all big giant slobs.
[edit] Deletion debate
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This article was nominated for deletion on July 26, 2006. The result of the discussion was keep. |
[edit] Requested move
Talk:Fresh of the boat — Fresh of the boat → Fresh off the boat – Article itself says "off". "off" redirects to "of" but used to redirect to an attack article (non-empty history). AKADriver 21:05, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
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- done I just did it because it was such an obvious misspelling, and the destination articles were speediable. — brighterorange (talk)
[edit] Discussion
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[edit] Usage in other countries
This seems a bit USentric at the moment, could we have examples of use in other countries? For example, the term in NZ is almost solely applied to Pacific Island immigrants, and its usage has declined rapidly in recent years. porge 01:54, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Done. I've added a reference to New Zealand and Australian usage of the term, and removed US-centric language further in the article. Heyseuss 23:27, 3 March 2005 (NZT) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.152.26.217 (talk) 10:28, 3 March 2005
[edit] Fresh of the boat - Urban Dictionary
It's odd that this slang is presented in Urban Dictionary as "Fresh of the boat" ... which I've never heard. Courtland 01:57, 2005 Feb 10 (UTC)
[edit] Merger into Immigration? (thoughts / votes requested)
I'm wondering if slang phrases, not necessarily this one in particular, belongs in Wikipedia as stand-alone articles. My feeling is it might belong in Wiktionary. However, in either case, the reason why I bring it up here is that the Immigration article seems to lack a section on reactions by locals to immigrant influx. This slang would make an appropriate addition to such a section. I'm hesitant to make such a change, though, without some affirmation from the community. Thoughts / Votes? Courtland 02:06, 2005 Feb 10 (UTC)
- Seems like the place to discuss it would be on Talk:Immigration. - dcljr 18:50, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
[edit] EOPs?
I don’t live in North America and thus I can’t really say if EOP is how the acronym is really spelled. However, I know this much: Filipino isn’t spelled Philipino. =) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.213.148.118 (talk) 17:23, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
[edit] FOB Hunters?
Anyone else encountered this phenomenon? A "FOB-Hunter" is typically someone who aggresively pursues FOBs for the purposes of romantic or sexual relationships. I'm not sure if this is worth including in the entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.141.51.200 (talk) 12:52, 16 June 2005 (UTC)
[edit] FOB usage
The article states "The term is used not only by whites, but also by Asians born or raised in the host country to distinguish themselves." I think this is misleading as it implies most users of this term are white. As a caucasian I never heard of FOB until an asian told me of it. Since then I've rarely encountered a caucasian who caught onto this "joke" when I used it but all asians understood and I've heard it used by far more asians regarding other asians than any other situation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryanhupka (talk • contribs) 05:28, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
- While the abbreviation "FOB" may be fairly new and used exclusively about Asian immigrants, the expression "fresh off the boat" has been around for a long time. I remember my grandparents using it decades ago about European immigrants they had known in their childhood before WWI. If you think about it, you realize that this must be so because of the wording itself. The phrase is obviously a reference to immigrants who came here by boat, which no one has done for a long, long time. 68.83.143.100 00:45, 15 April 2007 (UTC)Essex9999
[edit] US usage
true, at least in the US, I've never heard a non-Asian person use this term except when talking to Asians about other Asians. Most non-Asian Americans probably don't know what this term means.
Also, I don't think the term can be applied to American-born Asians either, even those who embrace Asian pop culture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.64.137.215 (talk) 01:15, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
- What this article really needs is objective evidence from reliable sources. What sources we can scour I can't think of though. enochlau (talk) 04:28, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
- The term is often used derisively against American-born Asians who display "FOB-like" behavior, so reference to usage in this way is appropriate. Wl219 08:42, 30 June 2006 (UT
I just wanted to mention that i think i remember the term being used in Bad Boys 2, maybe if someone could check that and then reference it.
[edit] FOB/Fresh off the plane
Fresh Off the Plane shouldn't really have its own article. Instead it should just be a part of this one, don't y'all think? Cornell Rockey 19:36, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
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- Good idea. It really shouldn't be a seperate page. I really screwed it up! Infantry Marine 25
[edit] Arab refrences???
i dont know much 'bout this article, but i think there should be some references to arab immigrants to other countries who use this phrase. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Infantrymarine25 (talk • contribs) 02:13, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
excuse me...? i dont think this term applies to any arabs at all...i never heard any one i know say FOB to an arab person...
[edit] FOBs
You know what? First of all, I'm Asian- American- Asian so don't go attacking me. Second of all, I love the way all you people know what the definition of a FOB is...Third, the definition of a FOB in a minority group is an Asian person coming from Asia. Why am I not offended? It's because I hate 'em- plain and simple. Not in a racist way but more as in they're-annoying-way. Hang out with an Asian and he or she will most likely bring you to at least one FOB and you will see how it's like then you can make you're on observations. Just like nigger, I don't like it when other people use this term when you're not one of them. But then, what can I say, it's a messed up world anyways. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul h978 (talk • contribs) 05:28, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm white... am I not allowed to hate FOBs or use the word? They yell at me when I try to give them their receipt at work. They think it is a second movie ticket. Electricbassguy 11:48, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Not a speedy candidate
This is not an attack page, but it needs to be carefully checked and rewritten including proper citations from reliable sources, under a neutral point of view. Stifle (talk) 23:00, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
- Then I'm nominating for deletion since there are numerous vandalizations and senseless attacks on cultures and races and more. --MECU≈talk 23:24, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Removing sections
I am removing East and South-East Asian FOBs, South Asian FOBs, Pacific Islander FOBs sections because they are original research and unlikely to find reliable sources to verify. Also, they can be construed as attacks upons these groups. hateless 19:59, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- I also propse we remove Pronunciation, Offensive use, and Non-offensive use sections for largely the same grounds of WP:OR. They can be cleaned up, but it's not really doing a good job of expanding the lead section. hateless 20:52, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Related Words
I removed the related words section. It had no references. I felt like I was reading Urban Dictionary.Electricbassguy 11:48, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Derogatory?
Fresh off the boat (often abbreviated as F.O.B., FOB, fobbish, or fobbie) is a derogatory slang phrase...
Would anyone be opposed to me removing the "derogatory" part of the introduction? As an Australian I've heard the word "FOB" be used many times by "FOB"s, white Australians, and Australian born Asians. I have never once heard the term being used in a derogatory fashion. Although the phrase may have once been used as an insult, I think that time has passed. There is already subsections on the "offensive" and "non-offensive" uses for the term, so I don't think we need to bias the whole article by declaring that the term is derogatory in the first sentence. Hugzz 02:37, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I would agree that "derogatory" should be from such a dominant position. I'm UK-based and I've never heard it used in a derogatory way either but frequently heard it used in descriptively. However I would suggest that something like "The term is sometimes used in a derogatory fashion." is added to maintain balance. NickCwik 10:16, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] I'm a FOB
who cares? I speak perfect English, and got 2200 on my SAT. There are over 55% Chinese in my high school, and so are other schools around here in South California. I've got lots of white and ABC(or any other countries you can think of) friends. I love myspace, aim, and sports. But i still love the culture of Taiwan,which is the place i came from, and i dress like a FOB. You can just call me SEMIfob or FOBulous. Actually, immigrants are EVERYWHERE in th United Staes. It doesn't matter if you hate Fob or not. Even I myself do not like some of the Fobs. But you have to know how difficult it is to learn a language in a short term time, adapt another country's culture and living in a different environment.
"It doesn't matter if you hate Fob or not." Perfect English indeed. :D 66.28.71.162 (talk) 16:37, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Pronunciation
Call me a fob, but what are the strange "O"s in "fōb" and "fŏb"? They sure ain't IPA... --Sumple (Talk) 02:13, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The "N"-word
Either you say "nigger" or you don't refer to it at all, it's an encyclopedia, not some kind of political text where we should refrain from stepping on any toes... just my opinion though, anyone else? cKaL
[edit] Redirect
F.O.B. redirects to fall out boy. Sombidy should change that but I don't want to do it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.83.251.4 (talk) 10:37, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
