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WHY WERE THE MEMBERS OF THE THIRD ESTATE DISSATISFIED WITH THEIR WAY OF THE LIFE UNDER THE OLD REGIME? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.216.59.216 (talk • contribs) 21 Oct 2005.

You might want to take a look at Causes of the French Revolution -- Jmabel | Talk 00:26, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Dutch States General

"On the other hand, unlike the French Estates General and unlike the British Parliament, the Dutch Estates General took the place of the king and became the government of the Dutch Republic." True, but why here? This is the article on the French States general. A few comparisons and contrasts to the British parliament seem useful, because it is the most likely such institution from the era for English-speakers to be familiar with, but the Dutch thing seems to me to be off-topic. -- Jmabel | Talk 20:07, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

The comparisons illustrate that the power equilibrium between a King and his parlement differs from country to country (and even from king to king, compare Charles V vs Philip II in resp Spain and NL). I think the whole thing can be shortened severely though. The Dutch situation is probably more to the point than the English parliament, since the English king never broke the power of English parliament (In the Netherlands the independance was more religion motivated, not as a result of a power struggle between king and parliament) 80.127.115.114 14:05, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Is there a figure for the size of the Third Estate in the 1789 summary (the separate article also doesn't mention it)? IOW an headcount of the commoners? It is a pity that it isn't mentioned for comparison 80.127.115.114 14:05, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

About 25 million. I don't think there is a good census number. I'll put it in the article. - Jmabel | Talk 00:36, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scotland

Is the Convention of Estates distinct from the Estates of Parliament? Because Convention of Estates is just a link to The States. - Jmabel | Talk 04:08, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes. That redirect is very unsatisfactory, and should probably be deleted, unless of course the Convention of Estates/Committee of the Honourable Convention of Estates article is started soon. I am not a historian myself, but I could at least do a stub I suppose. Example ref:
  • A Short History of the Scottish Parliament, Scottish Parliament Project, University of St Andrews: "Parliamentary business was also carried out by ‘sister’ institutions, before c. 1500 by ‘General Council’ and thereafter by the ‘Convention of Estates’. These could carry out much business also dealt with by parliament—taxation, legislation and policy-making—but lacked the ultimate authority of a full parliament."
--Mais oui! 08:36, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
A stub would be an enormous improvement on a misleading redirect. - Jmabel | Talk 03:51, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Duly noted... :) --Mais oui! 04:21, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "States" vs. "Estates"

Are we going to translate État into "Estate" some of the time and "State" some of the time? Right now that seems to be the case in the various articles on this subject. We could use some consistency. Funnyhat 04:42, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

But we'll probably never get it, because these articles are so often edited by relatively new users. (FWIW, I lean toward "Estates" in the French case.) - Jmabel | Talk 20:50, 4 February 2007

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I had never heard the term "states general" until I came across this article. Unless there's a very good reason, I think that the prime name should be "estates general", as has been the usage for centuries. Does anybody object if I change it back, retaining the alternative "states general"? Groogle (talk) 05:57, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "The origin of the States-General"

In the following sentence in the Origin of the States-General section, it appears that a phrase has been omitted: "It was the dispute between Philip the Fair and Pope Boniface VIII which led to the States-General of 1302; the king of France desired that, in addition to the Great Officers of the Crown of France king in this serious crisis." I'm guessing that originally there was a comma after the word France, then words to the effect that the king desired the advice of the three estates.

[edit] House of Commons & States-General

Are they the same, please ? --125.24.178.210 (talk) 12:07, 27 April 2008 (UTC)