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Contents 1 Role in European Unity 2 Reconstruction 3 incorrect map 4 Successor state 5 Proposed name change

[edit] Role in European Unity

The role of the Fourth Republic in the creation of what is now the European Union is essential. I have added basic information but it is essential that this be explored because it changes the historical perception of this government - despite its apparent dysfunction it had the power to alter the entire course of European history in ways the "more stable" UK could not. Vital for historic balance. Irasocol (talk) 12:06, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reconstruction

There is almost nothing here yet about how France and its institutions were rebuilt by the Fourth Republic. It is important to include how this government created/recreated universal health care and a free higher education system. Again, important to remove the Gaullist (and Anglo-American) bias that this was a dysfunctional government. Irasocol (talk) 12:06, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] incorrect map

current map is not correct since it lacks the Algerian departements that ceased to exist with the following republic in 1962. the map of the fourth republic should include tbe Alsace and Lorraine départements (annexed by germany during the third republic) and the algeria departments. by the way all france maps lack the overseas colonies which were part of the republican territory as well. Paris By Night 09:10, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

corrected it. Paris By Night 09:40, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Successor state

I noticed that Cleduc (talk) changed the successor state of the Fourth Republic to the Fifth Republic, and that Barryob (talk) reverted this change. I did the same change some time ago and was likewise reverted by Barryob. There was an inconclusive discussion on Barryob's talk page and I let it rest for a while.

I hereby propose to use the French Fifth Republic as the successor state of the Fourth. To me, this seems logical; the articles are of the same type, describing the constitutions and governments. Someone navigating through these articles is likely more interested in the article on the Fifth Republic (which succeeded the Fourth) than in the general article on France (which didn't). Both constitiutions are within the context of France; listing France as the successor of the Fourth Republic seems to contradict this. Opinions? Phaunt 10:26, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I just made the change to the 5th too, after clicking next and going to the Obviously Wrong Place. Afterwards, I decided I ought to check up on the history. Barryob, didn't seem to give any explanation for his change, and I agree that his explanation in the talk page discussion isn't very convincing. Is he somehow contending that the 4th republic was not (a) France? In the context of a series of governments, the reader wants to read   about   the   succession   of   governments, not the geography or culture of the country. --Belg4mit 01:56, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed name change

To Fourth French Republic (I am proposing this change for all French Republic articles.)

Fourth French Republic is a more precise translation of Quatrième République Française. The name of the regime was the French Republic, and it was the fourth one. Funnyhat 06:58, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

A point to keep in mind is that the current title seems to be the more common one. A google search on both terms (crude though that tool may be) yields about 24 times as many hits for the current title than it does for your proposal.

Also, I'm not sure why this is an imprecise translation. If you see Quatrième Republique as a unit (and I think that is justifiable; the government could be referred to as la quatrième republique, couldn't it?), wouldn't it make sense to keep 'fourth' and 'republic' adjacent? Phaunt 22:35, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

For format convenience, I am more in favor of simple Fourth Republic (France). Although Second Republic may refer to either the Spanish Second Republic or the French Second Republic, their is not many other occurences of Third, Fourth and Fifth Republic (some are calling for a Sixth Republic, but that's another story!) Tazmaniacs (talk) 13:55, 18 February 2008 (UTC)