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[edit] Anglo-speaking bias?
BIAS. The term "French-American", as well as the term "French-Canadian", is an American concept. In France, they are not considered French but French-speaking. Are labeled "French" the people who have a French nationality, even though they would not speak French. "French-American" would be either labeled "Américains francophones" (French-speaking Americans) or "Américains d'origine française" (Americans of French descent). "French Canadians" are just referred to "Québécquois", even if some don't live in Québec, or "Canadiens francophones". JB, 12/16/06.
- How is it biased? People whose ancestors came from France are considered French Americans, just as people with family roots in Germany are German Americans, people with roots in China are Chinese Americans, and so on. If other countries classify people differently, good for them, but that really is irrelevant. Funnyhat 06:58, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
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- I agree, this is not biased. The English version of Wikipedia is maintained by the native English speakers, for whom the concept of "French Americans" is a reality. Furthermore, in the US, ethnicity or nation of origin is taken into consideration by the census bureau. Even if sometimes this does not mean a lot. For instance I am French-born, immigrated to the States, became citizen, now I am considered a French American, but on the census form, I indicate both that I am of French and Flemish ethnicity, being that my father is a French Flemish from the North. That's because there really is no such a thing as a "French ethnicity", since the so-called natural French are actually a mix of many different ethnicities (mostly Gallo-Romanic, but also Frankish like the Flemings, celtic, basque and many more). Yes my cultural heritage is French and that is more important than the language or the ethnicity. --WhiteEcho (talk) 04:56, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Citations?
It would be nice to get some citations into this article. Ratagonia 01:41, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Justin Vaisse's opinion
This relative absence of French-American political and social unity helps to explain anti-French sentiment in the United States. French historian Justin Vaïsse has proposed that an important cause of overtly expressed public hostility toward France in the United States is the small number of Americans of direct French descent[1]. While he acknowledges that this is not the direct cause of anti-French sentiments, he argues that it explains why these sentiments can be expressed publicly, without being seen as a gross violation of political correctness. Vaïsse contends that by comparison, the public display of such sentiments towards other ethnic groups or nationalities would be met by strong disapproval. He proposes that as France has no powerful and organised lobby to defend it, it is socially and politically acceptable in the United States to express negative sentiments of the French[2].
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- Just to answer, I've read before that the proportion of french descendant in the US is way higher than thought because as the french colonized the New World at the same time as the Brits but got outnumbered pretty quickly, they were mixed into the mainstream america. However it's true that since most of them lost traces of their heritage no lobby exists nor defends them as they don't represent or try to represent. Abdelkweli 23:06, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
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- There may be some truth in this; as America has been traditionally linked to Britain, anti-French views about the British, which may be from centuries-old conflicts, may be echoed here as well. However it is likely that at least some anti-French sentiment has arisen due to anti-American sentiment expressed by the French as well. Further, as the two countries speak different languages, this has likely helped to create a barrier of perceived differences between the two. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.173.82.81 (talk) 18:11, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
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- Who are we really kidding here? The whole reason why it is acceptable (and even encouraged) to ridicule them is because they are white. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.237.12.127 (talk) 23:26, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Margaret Chase Smith's French American Heritage
Please see and possible addition to list of political persons:
Margaret Chase Smith's Franco-American Heritage
http://www.fawi.net/ezine/vol3no2/SmithgoesFranco.html
Rheta10 (talk) 00:52, 26 November 2007 (UTC)RJCRobbins
- There are many other French Americans that could be listed, including the wrestler Triple H or of course Stephen Colbert. Brett Favre, well, why not. --WhiteEcho (talk) 04:55, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
