Talk:Fremantle Prison

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Article milestones Date Process Result January 23, 2006 Peer review Reviewed April 23, 2006 Featured article candidate Not promoted June 25, 2006 Good article nominee Listed April 11, 2007 Good article reassessment Delisted Current Status: Delisted good article

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Expand section on closure More references and sources Restoration of main gate area Disabled access

Why is this article in the category "World Heritage Sites of Asia and Australasia"? It's a heritage site protected by the Australian government, but it's certainly not on the UNESCO World Heritage list. Check for yourself: http://whc.unesco.org/en/statesparties/au

The only Australian building on the World Heritage list is the Royal Exhibition Building in Melbourne. Please remove this from the World Heritage category before nominating it for featured article status! Meconium 07:13, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

This article is coming along very nicely, and has some great new images. Should we aim for a featured article? I think with a few tweaks and an expansion on facts, it's almost there. -- Longhair 00:18, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Current usage section 2 Deleted image 3 Top image 4 Moondyne Joe 5 Peer Review 6 pictures 7 First Phrase 8 GA removed

[edit] Current usage section

The first paragraph reads a bit more like wikitravel than wikipedia. While it's commendable that wheelchair access is provided for some of the levels, I don't see it as encyclopedic for this article. Also, apart from a sentence on present use for marriage, why are the chapels listed under current usage? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Andjam (talk • contribs) .

Agreed, EditedGhostieguide 00:16, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Also, the security level thing has {{{security}}}. Andjam 12:37, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Dont know how to fix that...Ghostieguide 00:16, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

It is Wikipedia's way of telling you it needs a parameter. I have added "security=" to the template arguments, so now the Security Level is blank. If you know the security level, then by all means fill it in. Drew (Snottygobble) | Talk 00:27, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

I think "Security" should be Maximum; I also think "Classification" is an American concept not applicable world wide. I am going to be bold and ditch it from the template. Drew (Snottygobble) | Talk 00:36, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Think its about there, I`ve re-worded a few things to make it more encyclopedic but I think disabled access detail is important so its still in. Im wondering if its getting a little 'BUSY' with too many pictures, I have placed a few more on commons but I think we need a cull. Ghostieguide 01:02, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

The article is progressing wonderfully, however I agree we've become a little busy with images. Perhaps Moondyne Joe can disappear back to his own article. I think the main gate image and the cell re-creation are worthy of inclusion. I'm unsure what to do with the gallery. Any ideas? -- Longhair 02:52, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

I for one like the gallery section, it works well Ghostieguide 09:33, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deleted image

Any thoughts on whether we can we use

?

Seems a shame not too if the license isn't too restrictive. The source page states this:

"You may save or print this image for research and study. If you wish to use it for any other purposes, you must complete the Request for permission form"

Cheers SeanMack 14:50, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

See here for related discussion on using images from the NLA. -- Longhair 19:53, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

As the author of this painting, Henry Wray, died in 1900, the painting has been in the public domain since 1950. Consequently any digital image of the painting is in the public domain too. The NLA have neither the legal right nor the moral right to impose conditions upon the reproduction of public domain images. We are entitled to use the image however we see fit. Drew (Snottygobble) | Talk 22:19, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Top image

It could just be my lousy browser, but the top image gets cut off on the right hand side. Anyone else getting that problem? Andjam 02:59, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

No. I see (what I believe to be) the entire image, from the prison block, well past the outside shed and onto the lawn. Can you give us an example screenshot perhaps? -- Longhair 03:02, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Here you go. Andjam 04:37, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

The problem was with different screen resolutions I think. I have fiddled with the template. Can you do a hard reload and tell me if the problem is gone now. Drew (Snottygobble) | Talk 04:45, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks, Andjam 04:48, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moondyne Joe

If no objecions Im thinkig of cutting the whole moondyne paragraph, his own page is excelent and I feel its unnecsasary here. Ghostieguide 09:51, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm ok with that. -- Longhair 11:54, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peer Review

As per one part of the peer review I thought I'd add some info to the art gallery section to give it some background - however I've noticed that the references are a bit mixed up. Anyone know how to do the refs so that the numbers don't go out, the way they have now? Also, can we find out if we have pictures by the artists mentioned? Do they also deserve their own articles? Cheers SeanMack 16:06, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Many of the artworks featured are anonamous, as for privicy reasons I cannot recearch or discuss any prisoner living after c1920 unless notorious or public knowlage e.g. Brendan Abbott. James Walsh however would qualify, I shall endevour to photograph his cell. Trouble is the perspex protection causes reflections making photograpy difficult.Ghostieguide 22:53, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

I think Jimmy Pike would qualify as his time inside is public knowledge [1], [2], [3], [4], there's even a movie on him [5]. I can't find a lot on John Walsh but will try to get enough together for Jimmy Pike for a stub. SeanMack 04:39, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Fixed Refs, now working properly Ghostieguide 09:44, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Good job on the refs, I'm gonna start using this format now. SeanMack 05:47, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] pictures

I've attempted to address some concerns in the FA review. In particular, added to the lead and moved the pictures of the 6th commandment and tunnels nearer where the text talks about them, with better captions.

I think the gallery should stay, as the prison art is a significant feature of Fremantle Prison. I picked a photo almost at random from the gallery to put next to the Art section. It should really be art by John Walsh or Dennis Nozworthy to go with the text. --Scott Davis ^Talk 05:54, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I voted oppose for this article last time (and regret this decision as I did not actively assist to fix my own qualms with it) but it has seen phenomenal improvement. I think the gallery should stay, just in a different location (perhaps further down, where it won't disturb the layout?). Congratulations to all involved. michael ^talk 02:51, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, we have come a long way, I would like to try aggain for FA status, but it wouldn`t be right for me to nominate. Ghostieguide 03:07, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Looking forward to voting in another Aussie FA! Nice work. michael ^talk 03:09, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

An FA should cover all the obvious sources of information. Someone needs to read "Fremantle Prison: A Brief History" by Cyril Ayris, and incorporate any information and references gleaned from it. Snottygobble 03:44, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I tend not to use that book, although interesting, it contains some inaccuracies, for instance Ayris states that 47 people hanged at the prison, however due to aliases used by some of the men, the number is in fact 44. Ghostieguide 01:31, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] First Phrase

Fremantle Prison is a former Australian prison located in The Terrace, Fremantle, Western Australia somehow that dosnt read very well :) and its been through GA and FA? I would suggest a leading phrase should leave the word Australia out, and perhaps there is a better way of saying in The Terrace SatuSuro 09:56, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I would have said ON the Terrace, but I don't know, otherwise I think this is fine nigell k 07:39, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA removed

Half of the article is not sourced. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:07, 11 April 2007 (UTC)