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[edit] ??

Wow - Danny you were quick off the mark -- I went for dinner and hadn't finished at all. I knew there were a few boo boos but didn't want to lose what I had done. So I do want to expand this and will keep a NPOV, however, there is factual data that is valid for informational purposes only. Let me know here if there is a problem. Thanks CB.

[edit] Asbestos?

What is the point of the lethal asbestos line? My house contains deadly asbestos, as does millions of others built before the 1970's. It's only a problem if it gets airborne. Ydorb 22:26, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Check the link. Read the affidavit och watch the interview about the Freewinds [1]. If you take down the panels and let big piles of asbestos lie around it gets pretty dangerous. And they did that. I'm walking around the ship and I go into the engine room and I see panels missing from, like, the control room, a panel missing. And I see a big chunk of blue asbestos hanging down-what I identify as blue asbestos (Entheta 23:10, 19 December 2005 (UTC))

Someone should probably rewrite it to say something about how it was renovated outside the US, and was not subject to US labor regulations, therefore exposing workers to dangerous levels of asbestos exposure. Ydorb 19:48, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=287791 EvilHom3r (talk) 19:48, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Series Template

Removing this Series Template. This is not correct usage of Series Templates per the guidelines. They were set up to show the history of countries and were different articles form a sequential series. This is not the case with the Scientology pages, which are random pages on different topics – not a sequence of any kind. Wiki’s definition of a series is: “In a general sense, a series is a related set of things that occur one after the other (in a succession) or are otherwise connected one after the other (in a sequence).” Nuview 01:50, 10 January 2006 (PST)

Dianetics -> Scientology ->Auditing -> Growth -> New texts -> New OT levels, new leaders, etc.. It's a growth of tech. It didn't just "happen" one night, Ronabop 11:55, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism section removed

I've removed the "Criticism" section, interesting though it is, as I don't think it's compatible with Wikipedia:Reliable sources or Wikipedia:Verifiability. The source is apparently an affidavit hosted on a personal website. We don't know if the copy of the affidavit is bona fide (where and how was it filed?) and a personal website is, of course, not a reliable source. If someone can provide the relevant details we can restore the section, but until then I think it has to stay out. -- ChrisO 19:52, 7 January 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Article notable?

I included this article in a list of Scientology articles which were not supported by secondary sources. In my opinion the fact that the CoS has a ship, or a fleet of ships, is notable. However, the ship Freewinds itself seems to be just another ship. Does it really need its own article? Thanks. Steve Dufour 21:10, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

She is notable as the cruse ship Bohème (ship), as are the 75 other ships in Category:Ships built in Finland. We do not need any of this scientology stuff to make her notable. I am removing the tag. -- Petri Krohn 06:22, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
I stand corrected. If it is WP policy to have an article on each ship in the ocean, as it seems to be, then Freewinds should not be left out. Steve Dufour 16:55, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Waste water

Sean Paton's report on waste water dumping by the Freewinds has previously been removed because it was self-published. The citation to the coverage in The Bonaire Reporter should resolve that. 67.168.160.59 (talk) 12:33, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 2008 coverage of asbestos controversy

[edit] Freewinds hides information about presence of asbestos

Here would be the formatted citation, for those that want to utilize the information mentioned at NeoGaf and GlossLip

Cheers, Cirt (talk) 20:59, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Is the presence of asbestos generally considered an "environmental issue"? I think the section title could use a change in wording. Z00r (talk) 19:41, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's environmental in the sense that both issues concern pollutants. -- ChrisO (talk) 20:07, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Scientology's Party Boat Docked Due to Asbestos

Interesting that this got covered by Gawker.com, probably means other high-profile sources have noticed this news as well. Cirt (talk) 05:35, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Scientology Yacht Sealed and Docked in Curacao

And here is coverage in a CNN I-Report. Cirt (talk) 05:35, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Maybe you already realize this, but this is no more reliable than a blog or message board posting.P4k (talk) 23:58, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Scientology Asbestos Ship Quarantined, Thousands May Have Suffered Exposure

Staff (2008-05-01). Scientology Asbestos Ship Quarantined, Thousands May Have Suffered Exposure. Newsblaze. NewsBlaze LLC. Retrieved on 2008-05-01.

Another interesting source of info. Cirt (talk) 14:15, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cancer on the Lido Deck? Scientology Responds

Now this development is quite interesting. Cirt (talk) 15:06, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Scientologists Exposed to Blue Asbestos—for 21 Years -- Uh oh, news has hit lawyersandsettlements.com !

I had a feeling at some point that this development would hit some legal-focused news/media. Will be interesting to see what happens next. Cirt (talk) 21:09, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Curacao Dry dock Company: Scientology's Cruise Ship Sealed Due To Asbestos Danger

More info from a new source. Cirt (talk) 14:46, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
M2 presswire is a press release distribution service.[2] It's not a reliable source, it shouldn't be cited.P4k (talk) 23:52, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Clean Team Enters Scientology's S.S. Asbestos

Apparently there is a cruise scheduled for May 7, 2008 - anyone know more about that? Cirt (talk) 22:27, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Asbestos scare seals off Scientology cruiseship

Probably the most significant coverage so far, in terms of who's publishing it - the world's leading (and oldest) shipping journal. That should ensure that the entire shipping industry is aware of the Freewinds' problems. -- ChrisO (talk) 19:35, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Asbestos controversy aboard Scientology ship Freewinds

Big article, lots of infos

http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/05/16/asbestos-controversy-aboard-scientology-ship-freewinds/

damn, its just a mirror of wikinews. Z00r (talk) 19:40, 17 May 2008 (UTC)