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Missing image: The first sentence in the section about San Francisco refers to an image that I don't see included in the article. Perhaps it was intended to be an image similar to the one at http://www.mistersf.com/notorious/notfreeway.htm, which shows the extent of the madness planned for San Francisco, but with little detail. Does anybody know what happened to the image? MikZ 20:43, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Has anyone thought about including Toronto in this article? it was once supposed to have freeways criss-crossing throughout the city, of which two were completed, one was severely truncated(after a protest led by Jane Jacobs) an interchange is all that remains of one, the extension of one of the completed highways that was meant to serve as another was recently destroyed, and the rest were never built.

Doesn't Milwakee have a compelling Freeway revolt story? Milwaukee plans to tear down Park-East Freeway. Retrieved on July 15, 2005. --Paul 06:12, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

If it does, feel free to add content describing it. I'm insufficiently familiar with the events in Milwaukee to write such a section myself; living in Portland I am familiar with the freeway revolts here. Any city's freeway revolt story is welcome on this page.

I'd love to see a Marylander write about the Baltimore freeway revolts; the fact that Interstate 70 ends in a park-and-ride is a good story.

EngineerScotty 06:46 PM 16 July 2005 (PDT)

I-70 is not the only freeway to end (ironically?) at a park and ride--look at I-95 at northern I-495 near DC. Also see Boston --Jason McHuff 04:21, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
Also, where did Six freeway routes were proposed. Four of the six were eventually constructed in Portland come from? It contridicts the later listing of three proposed (the Rose City Freeway, the Interstate 505 freeway, and the Mount Hood Freeway) and the plan map which lists more (see Highway to Hell link). And Milwaukee does have a lot of unbuilt freeways. Lastly, the only real diff between Salem Parkway and I-305 is a lack of interchanges --Jason McHuff 05:12, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

The text should say "six freeway routes were planned, of those four were built. The original proposal by Moses (described with a picture in the WW article) had many additional routes, such as the Prescott Freeway, that never made it to the planning/design stage. As near as I can tell, the two freeways that were planned/designed but not built were the Mount Hood Freeway, and Interstate 505 (Oregon). The others were simply were never more than lines on a map. Regarding the Salem Parkeway/I-305, the lack of interchanges is a big deal--constructing an interstate-grade freeway (even if only 4 lanes) along with interchanges is far more disruptive to neighborhoods--both in terms of real estate which must be condemned, and in terms of noise--than the Parkway proposal which was built.


At any rate, the article needs correction. In addition, one of the links is broken; it is retrievable from the google cache but the site (www.pdxplan.org) appears to no longer exist.-- --EngineerScotty 21:27, 15 September 2005 (UTC)


I've made some corrections to the article. One issue that I haven't been able to figure out is how Harbor Drive fits into Moses' proposal. It isn't shown on the map. In addition, it was built in 1950, only seven years after Moses was brought to Portland--it may well have already been on the drawing board before Moses came to town, thus not part of his proposal. --EngineerScotty 23:35, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Los Angeles

Nothing about freeway revolts in Los Angeles? There were major freeway revolts in the 1960s and 1970s which were successful in preventing the Beverly Hills Freeway and Laurel Canyon Freeway to be built (something most residents of Los Angeles' Westside should be thankful for) and which limited the construction of the Marina Freeway.

  • Go ahead and add it! The Long Beach Freeway in Pasadena probably should be added to the list as well. I'm not familiar with the LA area, so I'll let someone else add this to the article. --EngineerScotty 18:38, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] San Francisco Central Freeway

I made two changes. The page said the top deck was removed in 1991. That is incorrect. In 1991 only the damaged section north to Turk and Golden Gate was demolished, leaving only the Oak and Fell ramps. In 1996 the top (southbound) deck was removed, and in early 2003 the remaining lower deck was removed.

This article is regarding the 1996 closure for the upper deck removal http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/1996/08/21/MN17939.DTL&hw=central+freeway&sn=004&sc=831 and this one is regarding tearing down the lower deck. They even had a goodbye party. How cool. http://www.mistersf.com/farewell/fwfellramp.htm

[edit] Vieux Carre

Does the Vieux Carré Riverfront Expressway qualify for this article?

J. Crocker 00:38, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, assuming it was derailed because of opposition rather than apathy or budget dml 08:32, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
The article says it was canceled due to "large amounts of local opposition". --NE2 10:31, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Eureka

[edit] Arcata

Can anyone direct me where to learn if Eureka or Arcata in California experienced similar revolt? I think Arcata did but Eureka just ran out of money.... Thanks!--al95521 00:05, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

If you live in the area, the public library is probably the best place to start; the next alternative would be the morgue (i.e., archives department) of any local newspaper. MrRedwood 05:59, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Big story -- should be split

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I think this warrants a much better treatment than a miscellaneous listing of canceled freeway projects. I recall reading somewhere that it was one of the sparks of the emergence of neighborhood protection organizations. At least the Haight Ashbury Neighborhood Council believes it played a leading role in the revolution in San Francisco. This has to be one of the more interesting shifts from post-War complacency towards the activism of the 60s and 70s. I think it would be good to see at least three articles; one on San Francisco's local battle, another on how it fits into cultural changes in the nation at the time, and a final one taking the place of this one, listing those movements that don't otherwise warrant individual treatment.

There should, in theory, be a wealth of public-domain images for these since they were government projects. The Army Corps of Engineers should have an archive, and I suspect the Francisco Public Library would have some, but I couldn't find any in a quickie search. MrRedwood 03:58, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Interstates with problems (1970)

The following were mentioned in the discussion of the Federal Highway Act of 1970:

--NE2 02:26, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Harrisburg Freeway?

I've noticed that this article lacks mention of the only major freeway to be completely stopped in the Houston area: the Harrisburg Freeway, which was a proposed section of Texas State Highway 225 extending into downtown Houston, which was stopped because of neighborhood opposition. -MBK004 14:26, 25 May 2008 (UTC)