Talk:Freedom Ship

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[edit] Norman Nixon

Does anyone know where Norman Nixon lives. im trying to find his personal e-mail address on whitepages.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darth639 (talk • contribs) 20:00, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Email to Freedom Ship HQ is bouncing

None of the email addresses work.

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   Info@FreedomShip.com

Technical details of permanent failure: PERM_FAILURE: SMTP Error (state 13): 550 5.1.1 <Info@FreedomShip.com>... User unknown

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I get the same error reqardless of who I send email to at freedomship.com. It looks like it's finally over.


FYI www.freedomship.com is offline as of August 5 2005. Last Google cache was July 26. Last update was February 10 2005 indicating problems obtaining reliable financing.

It's online right now... - John C PI 18:50, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is this really legitimate?

I've seen the HowStuff Works article, i've seen the freedom ship website, and the webhacks who are out to disprove it. My question is, does this proposal hold enough water (pun intended) to merit a wikiarticle? If i were tonight to propose the creation of a gerbil-powered city near easter island as soon as i could obtain reliable funding, could i then have an article made about me?

Presumably, if it made as much news as this project has, then yes, I see no reason why there couldn't be a justifiable entry - for those curious and seeking more information on the Easter Island GerbilCity Project. Tenmiles 04:26, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cost estimate

This needs a citation. If it comes only from FSI it should be removed as marketing hype; if it is based on existing ships, it's likely invalid as it's pretty clear conventional design techniques won't work for a vessel this size. Sources, please. Just zis Guy you know? 18:51, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

OMGoogle! theanphibian 22:12, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unconventional Design

The Freedom ship will not have a keel as a standard ship would have. Rather it will be more like a floating 'barge', in that the platform that the 'ship' is built on is simply an array of water-tight cells; albeit huge ones, each of which will contain its own Azipod propulsion system. These cells will be attached to one another to create one enormous inflexible 'raft'.

The concept of the ship being structurally able to withstand ocean swells is based on the idea of a 'floating beam'. The ship is so vast that it will actually span ocean swells the way a wooden plank might float on the ripples of a lake. Besides that, the design will follow basic design principles that stipulate that a beam must be a certain thickness for it's proposed length.

And for all of that we need a citation from a reliable source. Just zis Guy you know? 06:53, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] On Discovery

I am watching a show on Discovery about Freedom Ship right now, it is a re-run from 2002. But from this article I get the idea the project is pretty much dead. If anyone can bring this story into 2007 it would be appreciated. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.105.209.231 (talk) 22:02, 10 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Hogging and Sagging

An attenuating wave device, such as in the Pelamis wave energy converter could be implemented to absorb the hogging and sagging of a large vessel alowing it to be built larger, while generating electricity to power it.

[edit] Progress

One can only wonder what the progress of "Freedom Ship International" is making. We have been hearing about this project since the 90's, so when will it start happening. The website of the company has not been updated in 2 years. I think we can consider this a former project.Sloveniaiscool 02:25, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I think there are a lot of articles on Wikipedia like this. When someone starts spouting off some stuff about a megaproject, then there are lots of secondary sources that are all over it, but then as the years go by and it just fades out of memory as everyone thought it would, there's not much to update you because... the problem is that there's nothing to update other than missed milestones and lack of progress. The idea is very notable, but I agree, it's pretty well a failed idea as well. However, I think it would be difficult to put something in the article about that. -Theanphibian (talk • contribs) 03:25, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
True, but I think the article should say, "the freedom ship WAS a project...." Sloveniaiscool 04:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, but that's the exact problem, do we have any evidence that it's not undergoing any progress right now? -Theanphibian (talk • contribs) 04:09, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Yes very true, I suppose we must leave it.Sloveniaiscool 18:43, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
As per the #Email to Freedom Ship HQ is bouncing section above - it would appear that for one, there are people still dedicated to this project enough to keep a website going, and two, the last "news" was in 2005. I think this is notable enough to add to the article. And certainly, the general concept of migration of humans off land to somewhere else persists and this remains the most serious manifestation of it. -Theanphibian (talk • contribs) 21:57, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Apparently they aren't dedicated enough to answer their email. I sent email to futurefreedomshipresident@comcast.net over a week ago and still haven't received a response. The email address appears to be okay. It didn't bounce.Wrcousert (talk) 07:29, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Freedom Ship International logo.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 20:19, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Freedom Ship side view.jpg

Image:Freedom Ship side view.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 20:20, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Freedom Ship - A Misleading Name

on the website FAQ page, under misconceptions it states that the ship is actually not a ship- its a barge- and that a ship hull of this size is impossible to build using any known engineering method. it also states that the freedom ship would not be a tax haven nor would it attempt to propose any new legal system. If its not a ship, and it doesn't offer any real new financial, political, or legal freedoms, then I'm afraid the name 'freedom ship' is quite a misleading title. not very representative of what this project is all about to say the least. Due to the probability that most people interested in working or living offshore have an illegal motive for doing so, combined with the likelihood that this concrete barge would very likely break apart and be at the mercy of the wind and currents of the ocean, perhaps a more fitting name would be 'Expensive Death-Trap Barge for Criminals'

Hmm... it's beginning to sound more and more like a good idea.

As a side note, I would add that any CEO who uses the terms 'B.S.' and 'you guys' in a corporate press release to describe past and present clients and so called investors, is a total joke. This project is much like the more successful Moller SkyCar project - it's a good idea, but unfortunately the company has leadership that doesn't know how to make the project happen with the current technology and political obstacles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.148.149.9 (talk) 00:29, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] May 2008 Rewrite

I just rewrote this article from scratch, given the sources provided, in an attempt to wikify it and make it more encyclopedic. However, my end result is improperly weighted towards the criticism, and some technical details (like the 400 azipods) have been lost. If someone cares enough to invest the time (I really ought to be sleeping...), it would be nice if the smaller sections could be expanded. Of course, this project seems to be destined for oblivion as a footnote in some history textbook, so too lengthy an article is probably not necessary... --John Hupp (talk) 09:39, 13 May 2008 (UTC)