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Contents 1 Moving this page 2 Correcting Errors 3 [No Title] 4 OPM Disarm

[edit] Moving this page

I'm going to move this from Organisasi Papua Merdeka to Free Papua Movement, in keeping with Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English). Further, that's what it's called in english-language media, based on the number of hits in the past year in LexisNexis:

• "papua freedom movement" - 1 article
• "papuan freedom movement" - no articles
• "organisasi papua merdeka" - no articles
• "papuan independence organization" - no articles
• "free papua movement" - 110 articles
• "free papua organization" - 47 articles (so I'll make a redir for this one)

- Cdc 19:45, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Correcting Errors

1. I relay upon Dr John Otto Ondawame that the creation date for the OPM should be 1965.

2. the article has stated OPM has "both armed military and more diplomatic branches"; this is misrepresentative IMHO.

First of all OPM has only endorsed diplomatic & non-violant efforts for over twenty years.

Second, the groups who had maintained the use of traditional weapons for defence only purpose; had also agreed to non-militant efforts as was re-affirmed at the OPM 2004 national summit- and they repeated it in English for the English language observers.

Third, Dr Ondawame as the appointed OPM Internation Representative, has never in 25 years gone running through any street with a gun or other weapon; he has instead spent 25 years asking the US & other governments to repay their moral debt to West Papua by supporting its fight for independence and freedom.

3. You remove all mention that it is NOT just the Papuan people who state that a) Indonesia is a colonial power, b) the "Act of Free Choice" was a stage event by the Indonesian & US governments to deny West Papua's independence, c) that genocide and other gross human rights abuses have been and are being conducted by the Indonesian military and government, and d) that the irrelevant claim by Jakarta that Papuans somehow shared some kind of 'link' with Jakarta was both total fiction and insulting.

We have NGO & government documents, eye witness accounts, recordings, and extensive research studies confirming each of these; if you wish to dispute any part of #3, specify which item.211.30.95.182 04:04, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

P.S. Please appreciate I have spent five years checking the facts. Your slapping a 'POV' label which is meant to infer "unreasonned POV" ; is what it is.

I welcome reasoned discussion of any point; however as the tactics of the Indonesian & Corporate interests to discredit the Papuan People is to label them as simple "primitives" and ignorant . . . it is a very emotive and upsetting thing for you to just likewise - even if unintentional.

As I say, I believe I can back up any point you wish to question; happy to certify only the facts are stated. And I will state again what was probably the most bold statement; West Papuans do not share race, religion, ecology, history, language, or culture with Jakarta (before the invasion) (not that any of that would have justified the invasion in any event- it was just insulting to the Papuan people that anyone was allowed to get away with claiming it in the western world).211.30.95.182 04:51, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I am sorry if you felt my revert was offensive in any way -- I did not so intend it. I have no desire to perpetuate any negative stereotypes about the Papuan People (and harbor no such stereotypes myself). When I called the edit POV, I did not intend to indicate that I see your opinion of the plight of the Papuan people as "unreasoned". It is probably a very legitimate perspective, and one which, were I better informed, I might share with you.

The issue is Wikipedia:NPOV. The edit you made replaced language that was neutral with language that clearly indicated a belief that the Papuans are "right" and the Indonesian government is "wrong". We avoid such characterizations as a policy on this site. I have no doubt that you have superior facts to what is currently presented in this article -- you certainly know the topic better than I do. What needs to be done, then, is for you to add information to the article while carefully citing where it comes from. For example, if you want to make it clear that many non-Papuans believe Indonesia perpetrated genocide, cite an example -- tell us that the UN passed a resolution stating so, or that the New York Times called it genocide, or any similar example. In that way, Wikipedia does not take a position "Indonesia committed genocide" but merely reflects a neutral, factual position: "these three sources call Indonesia's work 'genocide'". It is difficult to write this way, but it is necessary to learn it to contribute here.

I also want to apologize. Normally when I revert an edit, I leave an explanatory note on a talk page -- I was interrupted after reverting your edit, just as I was coming here to explain myself, and I haven't been able to check back until now. I assure you I will do what I can to keep that from happening again. I encourage you to read the article on NPOV and make your edit again with modifications such as those I have suggested. I promise not to revert it, but rather to make some alterations to it so that we can work together reach a result that tells the truth while remaining neutral. I hope you will agree to try compromising with me to reach this goal -- I am very interested in the facts you have to offer this article. Thank you for contributing, and for being so open and polite in your comments here. Jwrosenzweig 06:19, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] [No Title]

First sentence "(...)which is currently under Indonesian control as the provinces of Papua and West Irian Jaya"

should be corrected to "(...)which is currently under Indonesian control as the province of Papua (former Irian Jaya)"

That's not accurate, because former Irian Jaya province comprised of today's Papua province AND West Irian Jaya province. There was a split. --Khoikhoi 19:10, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] OPM Disarm

I dont have time to integrate the following information into the article, but it's here for anyone who's interested. Papua fighters promise non-violent future http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2006/s1699050.htm 130.195.86.37 05:54, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks I hadn't read this. I appreciate the heads-up. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 12:20, 30 August 2006 (UTC)